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[rog]

None. How many people stand around like retards for 10 minutes between fights? Putting aside the reality that sch is 100% completely useless in abyssea, what are you actually doing? Nuking shit. You can't manage to spend ~500 mp every 3 minutes because you have 10 mp/tick refresh? If you take longer to conflux to the next NM than it does to charge sublimation then you must be AFKing. If you get to the next NM and stand around not nuking stuff for boxes/pop items, then you must be AFKing. Suggesting merits based on the assumption that you will spend most of your time AFK isn't very helpful.

You don't have to use sublimation every mob.

[Mithrazz]

What's the buff ID for Monomi: Ichi so I can cancel it?

[Yugl]

None. How many people stand around like retards for 10 minutes between fights? Putting aside the reality that sch is 100% completely useless in abyssea, what are you actually doing? Nuking shit. You can't manage to spend ~500 mp every 3 minutes because you have 10 mp/tick refresh? If you take longer to conflux to the next NM than it does to charge sublimation then you must be AFKing. If you get to the next NM and stand around not nuking stuff for boxes/pop items, then you must be AFKing. Suggesting merits based on the assumption that you will spend most of your time AFK isn't very helpful.

This is just like convert recast. You get more mp over time with the merits than without. The alternative merits are completely and entirely useless. Hmm, tough call.

Thanks for proving my point. Not killing over 10min? That's less than 150mp advantage. Also, lets ignore the rest of the post that completely absolves many of the benefits of sublimation merits because the truth is too truthful right? If you're running around to fight NMs, chances are you're recovering most of your MP under Minkins. In short, you're really getting ~50MP (Assuming your shit finishes charging before you kill the NM and you use it during the NM) a majority of the time.

Convert merits only gives you more MP if you actually take advantage of the 48s window. MP over time is meaningless because real scenarios will triumph over hypothetical bullshit. That's why I acknowledge the claim that MV is limited in usage instead of strictly calculating its damage over time. Why can't you do the same for sublimation? It's because you're flaunting biased projections.

[Gun-it]

This is the point where a person shows you a ws and/or tp build because once 8k damage is done you're capped so the simplest method is just to damage the mob.

lol well thats true ill just throw some shit together then for voke mostly.

[Esvedium]

Monomi is sneak, so it's 71, if you're looking to put a "cancel" into spellcast.

[Mercilessturtle]

You don't have to use sublimation every mob.

You don't have to use it at all, or any other MP recovery abilities. But generally the idea is to kill stuff faster, which means spending more mp, which means recovering more mp.

Thanks for proving my point. Not killing over 10min?

You realize none of your merits are useful while afk right? Not just sublimation. Seriously, when are you running around for over 3 minutes, and then not managing to spend your mp when you arrive? Your mp can go right ahead and tick back to full while you are running, we're talking about sublimation not refresh. It works just fine with spam -> save style mp cycles. You just need to use your MP when you get there.

Even if you only gain 50 mp per 10 minutes, that still beats modus easily. Modus rarely lands on NMs, and normal mobs die in a single helix tick. What's your unresisted rate on modus on NMs, 25%? So you double the damage of one helix once every 40 mins? But wait, what if you are "running between NMs" while modus recast comes up, you aren't getting full benefit from it either.

[Yugl]

You realize none of your merits are useful while afk right?

While true, my argument is not dependent on being afk. Therefore, you're raising a moot point.

Seriously, when are you running around for over 3 minutes, and then not managing to spend your mp when you arrive? Your mp can go right ahead and tick back to full while you are running, we're talking about sublimation not refresh. It works just fine with spam -> save style mp cycles. You just need to use your MP when you get there.

That's exactly the point though. If you cap MP to full, you don't need to use sublimation immediately, which means your overall utility from sublimation merits will decline drastically. This is central to my point, which is that 150MP/10min benefit is false.

Even if you only gain 50 mp per 10 minutes, that still beats modus easily. Modus rarely lands on NMs, and normal mobs die in a single helix tick. What's your unresisted rate on modus on NMs, 25%? So you double the damage of one helix once every 40 mins? But wait, what if you are "running between NMs" while modus recast comes up, you aren't getting full benefit from it either.

That's why my argument isn't that MV has a general benefit. It's a specific-case benefit. If we wanted to make general utility arguments, we would say that Grimoire merits are better than all other merits because you can use it for any art! My argument is that MV, when it can be used, will serve you much more than ~50MP and that the general benefits from max sublimation cannot compare. Furthermore, people overstate the utility they derive from sublimation merits.

[Mercilessturtle]

I'm not making a general utility argument. I am saying sublimation merits are better at adding damage than modus merits are, and that is the only thing modus merits do. It is more than reasonable to easily use sublimation twice in 10 minutes. That is 100 mp. That would be nearly as good as modus merits if modus was still 100% land rate.

[Mrbeansman]

Can I make a Futsetto/+1 and get 20% dmg increase or do they not stack?

[Mercilessturtle]

WS damage magians don't work off hand.

[GreenKnux]

How do you tell if you have another tier of a trait?

[Yugl]

I'm not making a general utility argument. I am saying sublimation merits are better at adding damage than modus merits are, and that is the only thing modus merits do. It is more than reasonable to easily use sublimation twice in 10 minutes. That is 100 mp. That would be nearly as good as modus merits if modus was still 100% land rate.

When MV is in play, sublimation merits will not necessarily let you kill faster.

[cdgreg]

Need to kill 250ish Sea Monk on water day/rain weather. Am I missing anything other than abyssea on water day, or SSG during the occasional rain weather?

[Fereydoon]

How do you tell if you have another tier of a trait?

Testing/eyeballing. Some things like attack bonus or auto-regen/refresh are easy to see. Some stuff with stats you can't see you have to test. Unless it's TH then you open the JT menu. Also assumptions based on levels jobs got prior traits. iirc it used to show each tier, no?

[TheDirtyHobo]

Need to kill 250ish Sea Monk on water day/rain weather. Am I missing anything other than abyssea on water day, or SSG during the occasional rain weather?

Onzozo gets weather pretty often, but I believe the level range allows some of them to pop too weak.

[Khajit]

Need to kill 250ish Sea Monk on water day/rain weather. Am I missing anything other than abyssea on water day, or SSG during the occasional rain weather?

I think there's a bunch of em in ilrusi atoll?

[cdgreg]

I think there's a bunch of em in ilrusi atoll?

Onzozo gets weather pretty often, but I believe the level range allows some of them to pop too weak.

Thanks and thanks. I forgot about Onzozo, I dont mind killing the occasional TW. I did notice the ones in Ilrusi, but fuck that zone has like 8 maps and oddly locked doors....shit scares me!

[Yimoa]

I did notice the ones in Ilrusi, but fuck that zone has like 8 maps and oddly locked doors....shit scares me!

Used to kill all three key dropper tiers with nin and whm, droprate wasn't horrid. Was doing it often when it was still Capped at 75.
Considering 90 cap is coming might become a suitable target area for trials.

[ClarkSammich]

LoO works well if you can find someone ~75 to sync to, the only downside is dungeon repops, so you'll get like 15-20 at most per weather.

[Nightfyre]

Why would you need a 75 sync?