Atma Effects & Discussion

[Not Kuno]

It slipped my mind earlier, but Gradd of Fenrir is the one who tipped me off on this. So credit goes to him~

Hey I posted yesterday that doing all the quests + OPs give atma. >_>; No love for the Kunos.

He does.

Maybe it's from the Serpent Generals quests in ToAU?

Do the quests and OPs by Zazarag in Uleguarand.

[seiji]

Hm... so for SAM, with three atmas...

Keitonotachi +2 100TP Bonus
+
Smiting Blow (+100TP Bonus)
Griffin's Claw (+20% WSDMG)
Alpha and Omega (Triple Attack + Attack)

Would that be ideal? Or maybe change something?

a fudo GK maybe...
and add the TP bonus earring from wog

[Rionel]

Actually.. with Keitonotachi+2 and Smiting Blow, wouldn't that make every SAM WS 300TP (100TP normally + GKT Bonus + Atma)?

>_>; Jeez that's a little crazy.

Edit: Full Swing builds!

[Tadghostal]

Do the quests and OPs by Zazarag in Uleguarand.

Awesome, thanks.

[Dimmauk]

Hm... so for SAM, with three atmas...

Keitonotachi +2 100TP Bonus
+
Smiting Blow (+100TP Bonus)
Griffin's Claw (+20% WSDMG)
Alpha and Omega (Triple Attack + Attack)

Would that be ideal? Or maybe change something?

Yeah, or

Smiting blow + VV + Alpha and Omega

[rog]

Actually.. with Keitonotachi+2 and Smiting Blow, wouldn't that make every SAM WS 300TP (100TP normally + GKT Bonus + Atma)?

Yep, no need for the earring.

[FailureMidgard]

Yep, no need for the earring.

Wait, people play Sam, in Abyssea, without Fudo or a Pole?

[Classikmage]

I was actually looking at that atma set for DRK. Might make Spiral Hell and Ground Strike worth using. I was talking w/ a friend about it, but wasn't sure which would end up doing more damage on WS, +50 STR on VV, or +20% WS Damage. Both Spiral Hell and Grounstrike still have a 50% STR modifier after you cap fSTR, any math gurus that could say which would come out on top?


Edit: Trying to determine whether VV+ Alpha + Smiting Soul or
Griffon's Claw, + Alpha, + Smiting Soul would be better for those 2 WS's?

EDIT2: I have Scythe the trial where I decide to go base damage or Tp Bonus, and GS Trial 1 trial before that. and w/ the addition of Bale Earring I have have a universal TP/WS set for both Scythe and GS! :D

[Cream Soda]

Wait, people play Sam, ?

fixed

[Kirschy]

Hey I posted yesterday that doing all the quests + OPs give atma. >_>; No love for the Kunos.

My bad, Kuno I am having a little trouble keeping up with all the new posts/info!

[rog]

Wait, people play Sam, in Abyssea, without Fudo or a Pole?

Pretty sure we're discussing a hypothetically situation. There's only so many things to discuss about war, mnk, whm, and nin, so it's logical that we'd be bored enough to talk about how to make the best out of something that sucks, even if no one would ever actually use it.

[FailureMidgard]

fixed

I'm really convinced absolutely no DD can keep up with a Fudo Sam outside of Abyssea. Kannagi and Verethragna are both not even close. a 6hit Fudo will -easily- beat both. Don't see Ukon coming anywhere close either. Sorry your job sucks outside Abyssea

[Cream Soda]

Well, yea you win in WoE, but you have massume, what are you doing in WoE? lol. Other than that i'll concede to outside of abyssea :D (which doesn't exist!)

[danthebk]

Wait, people play Sam, in Abyssea, without Fudo or a Pole?

Well, they have to level up somehow. Besides, it was working pretty well for me.
http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/.../3995gekko.jpg
3-3.5k was very common.

[FailureMidgard]

Well, yea you win in WoE, but you have massume, what are you doing in WoE? lol. Other than that i'll concede to outside of abyssea :D (which doesn't exist!)

How else was I supposed to get my 30 advancement coins (cept I got 0 of them on Sam, imagine that)? Not that I'm ever going to use MNK inside Abyssea anyway unless it's to blue proc something. Nin(w/ Kannagi anyway) is just so much better and more versatile.

[Cream Soda]

Touche

[Malacite]

When I finish my Masamune (Just a matter of time, not an if) and the new 91+ content is all non-Abyssea, I will be looking down upon all the SAM haters with pure malevolence! :D

[rog]

When I finish my Masamune (Just a matter of time, not an if) and the new 91+ content is all non-Abyssea

Unless they announce more abyssea areas, then the joke will be on you.

[Nightfyre]

When I finish my Masamune (Just a matter of time, not an if) and the new 91+ content is all non-Abyssea, I will be looking down upon all the SAM haters with pure malevolence! :D

Pretty sure most of the "SAM haters" here could outplay you blindfolded on PUP.

Failure - what's your reasoning as far as NIN being "better"? Versatility I understand well enough, but it's my understanding that the two are fairly even from a DPS standpoint (though MNK should have an edge now with Impetus) and I'd think a ridiculous counter rate and a decent chunk more max HP would be superior to 3 more shadows per cycle. I have to admit Migawari is nice though. Granted I haven't explored NIN/MNK at all, don't know if that's a factor in your thought processes.

EDIT: just saw the post about it working as normal from sub. Could be interesting with Gnarled Horn then.

[Chumm]

Have you quested a lu shang?

Yeah, someone a few pages back said they had atma without questing Lu though.