Atma Effects & Discussion

[FailureMidgard]

Failure - what's your reasoning as far as NIN being "better"? Versatility I understand well enough, but it's my understanding that the two are fairly even from a DPS standpoint (though MNK should have an edge now with Impetus) and I'd think a ridiculous counter rate and a decent chunk more max HP would be superior to 3 more shadows per cycle. I have to admit Migawari is nice though. Granted I haven't explored NIN/MNK at all, don't know if that's a factor in your thought processes.

I have absolutely no interest in blind farming "trash" mobs, which is mnk's main strength in my personal opinion. As for a ridiculous counter rate - I don't understand, I take 0 dmg on most NMs, and if I do take dmg, its purely from effects that ignore shadows (Tarsal Slam) that a monk isn't countering anyway. Does counter add some damage? I'm sure it does. Do I think it matters? Not really, I prefer the added survivability of nin (extra shadows, ability to get slow/blind myself, Migawari) + more red proc WSes. Also, I may be underrating a mnk evasion tanking, but evasion seems counter-intuitive with counterstance, so I'm going to go ahead and put evasion as a bonus to mnk (even if the skill difference is <15), also, most mnks I know think their counter set is something worth talking about and don't even have an evasion set (yes, I realize good ones probably do). Added to that nin has 1/8th grellow chance, and I can get azures solo perfectly fine if I feel like soloing for an extended amount of time....and continuing on that, I feel far safer soloing the t2 Diremite for example on nin than I do on mnk. Yea, I could 2box it with mnk, but that's just a lot more effort and I'm lazy. Of course, this is all moot for me personally since I have Kannagi and don't even have WoE Victory Smite.

[Malacite]

Unless they announce more abyssea areas, then the joke will be on you.

Possible but unlikely.

Fudo is still beast :D

[Yugl]

counter-intuitive with counterstance

That can only help MNK though.

[cdgreg]

So I've sort of been arguing with myself on blm with 3rd lunar abyssite. Minkin and beyond are duh, but what for the 3rd. Ultima atma or atma of the full moon for a little less MAB but 5 more mp per tick refresh. Thoughts?

[Not Kuno]

Ultimate without a doubt

[Salmijr]

-25% mp might hurt, but its great for taru. PW atma is also 50mab , without the -mp, if you had access to it. But yea, I'm using MM/beyond/ultimate (as a taru).

[FailureMidgard]

So I've sort of been arguing with myself on blm with 3rd lunar abyssite. Minkin and beyond are duh, but what for the 3rd. Ultima atma or atma of the full moon for a little less MAB but 5 more mp per tick refresh. Thoughts?

Situational/etc. Personally, I still feel a blm's main job is to proc grellow on upper tier NMs, so beyond isn't even that useful. If you want to actually kite/nuke/lowman/etc a mob, you're on a pretty subpar job. Anyway, as such, refresh is good, doing more damage is bad (a lot of our blms actually take off their gear for it), and -mp is definitely bad.

Past all that, PW atma seems a lot nicer.

[rog]

So I've sort of been arguing with myself on blm with 3rd lunar abyssite. Minkin and beyond are duh, but what for the 3rd. Ultima atma or atma of the full moon for a little less MAB but 5 more mp per tick refresh. Thoughts?

40 less mab is more than just a little less.

[cdgreg]

40 less mab is more than just a little less.

good point, I was thinking it had MAB major, but I may have been thinking of lugarahoo (sp). Would be nice if I had PW atma, but ya that won't be happening anytime soon. Thanks for the advice though, I use blm quite a bit in abyssea for -ga staff trials.

[rog]

Baying moon doesn't have refresh~

You were thinking of heavens, which used to be listed as major, but it was a lie, which despite me posting pics proving it, no one seemed to believe. I guess it was just too hard to equip a major mab atma, nuke, then switch to heavens and nuke again to see which did more.

[cdgreg]

You were thinking of heavens, which used to be listed as major, but it was a lie, which despite me posting pics proving it, no one seemed to believe.

Ah that would explain it then.

[Jaxzer]

I'm banking on atma of the fetching footpad as #3.

[SephYuyX]

Ok, so.. I havent at all looked in to this Atma or Abyssite stuff at all yet, and I need a couple things cleared up. Chances are I wont be getting any off of NMs or quests, so assume im talking about all purchasable abyssite, and synthetic atma (ive all available aside from PW, Bushin, Ace, and Crafter). Also, I dont do LS events, etc, so consider all of this in exp or solo sense.

Firstly, Abyssite are all key items, there is no down side, they stack, work in all zones, and turn on automatically yes? So one should just buy all the abyssite possible via the npc in every zone right?

Now as far as atma goes.. So to get atma, I have to buy the 100k (cruor) item, talk to the infusionist, and select which atma I want? At which point the two get fused together and become an item, key, temp? And this is just a one time thing right? Say I want the Windy mission one, I spend 100k + 1k to get the item, and then just 100 cruor each time I reenter abyssea? And these atma work in all abyssea zones, yes?

My other question with atma is that they all have three segments. By activating an atma, you get all three, right? You arent subject to just one of the three? So essentially youre gaining 6 bonuses by having two active, yes? Actually how many atma can you have active, is it two, or three?

Assuming three atma, and main (mithra) BLM, I was thinking: Full Moon (5MP/TIC, 10INT, 10MAB), Kirin (40INT, 40MAcc), and Ultimate (50MAB, 50MAcc, -25%MP) = 5MP/TIC, 50INT, 60MAB, -25%MP, & 90MAcc. However using the cruor MP bonus (and 1 abyssite), it would only be -10%MP? Does anyone know how much MAB dragon rider is?

Btw, has anyone found Indigo abyssite of merit?

[Julian]

@Abyssites: Yes

@Atma: I'm not sure what you're thinking. 1 Lunar Abyssite = 1 atma active. There are a total of 3 you can get, to a total of 3 atmas active at a time.

Since you said you probably wont be getting the harder bosses, you will probably only be getting a max of 2. You get one for buying for 100k, one for killing 1 zone boss (easy), and one for killing 7 zone bosses (uh... depending if you can find people to do it with, may take time)

edit: Atmas are key items, you either buy them from the atma memory npcs, or get them from NMs. Then you can pay 100 cruor every run to activate whichever atma you want.

[Andradi]

Abyssite, yes to all those.

Atma, yes to all those.

Yes, you get every bonus.

That setup looks reasonable for synthetic atma, if you can are able to get access to all 3 lunars then you should be able to get stuff like MM (10/tic refresh) and such. Not sure how the -MP stacks.

[SephYuyX]

Thanks guys. I dont spend cruor really, so ive got about 500k just sitting around, buying the lunar isnt a real big issue.
So I have to earn the third atm activation, eh? (which quest/nm activates a 3rd btw?)
In which case, only being able to select two.. Im assuming Kirin and Ultimate is the best combo. Figured id get Full Moon for the refresh to help balance the MP loss, but oh well. Hopefully the MP thing does stack.

[Fievel]

Btw, has anyone found Indigo abyssite of merit?

Xilbalba in Abyssea - Grauberg drops it. Not a hard fight at all.

[Julian]

Thanks guys. I dont spend cruor really, so ive got about 500k just sitting around, buying the lunar isnt a real big issue.
So I have to earn the third atm activation, eh? (which quest/nm activates a 3rd btw?)
In which case, only being able to select two.. Im assuming Kirin and Ultimate is the best combo. Figured id get Full Moon for the refresh to help balance the MP loss, but oh well. Hopefully the MP thing does stack.

Each zone has a "zone boss", the one that you see in the cutscene when you enter for the first time. Defeating one zone boss gives you a lunar, defeating a 7th gives you another.

I would try and find a group that's doing the MM atma, it's really good.

[cdgreg]

You can pick up some really great atma by either watching for /sh or /sh'ing that you're interested. I got Minkin Minstr. (10 mp per tick refresh) through a /sh group that had previously seen my /sh wanting the atma. I've also seen people /sh looking for members for VV, gnarled horn, and a bunch of others. Some LS's sell atma too, not sure if you'd be willing to pay, but i'll tell ya, shits worth it.

[Yugl]

A friend of mine needs MM Atma and I should be getting some free time soon if you don't mind moving to Diabolos.