Atma Effects & Discussion

[Khidir]

Got some more "unofficial" Aquadic Ardor testing done

Proc rate is very low, as I suspected (for physical damage i can say easily) it's close to shadow mantle rate magic wise I wasnt hit with so many aoes as physical had an absorb.

I still need to not be lazy and get the new memloc for kparser but I can probrably count off of my hand the number of absorbs...


7(5 being physical the other two magical)

feel free to have concrete evidence but dont rely on this atma to save you consistently is what can easily be discerned I tanked quite a few mobs over a few hours to get these lolresults

oh this was in abbsyea vunkerl fought vegetators pascerpot sedna pugil nm quasimodo gargouiles sea monks, sea monk nm, ironclad, imp nm

[EjinCaitsith]

i guess proof omnipotent = 10% haste (and throw out a Homer simpson doh for wars(using full af3+2))

ftfy.

Thanks for the testing, but like kirchy said, the benefits from swapping out hands/head haste pieces for af3+2 won't beat out a 3rd DD atma for war.

[Uubu]

well as an empy war, i get around 600 crits, which are 1200 when ukkos double damage procs, and if that happens on a double attack its 2k~+ for a regular double attack. Will have to see how high the proc rate is for 5x set pieces, but i dont have much to gain from any of the other atmas (usually just pickup ebon hoof since the stp atmas dont push me to 4hit)... the only other atmas I was considering were the 2 hand ws damage one (not impressed) or Zazargs 50str counter

[Byrthnoth]

I tried the Magic Absorbing T3 VNM Atma from Vunkerl. Wore it throughout a Glavoid and three Sednas. The first magic attack I absorbed was when I was trying to homepoint afterwards with an ephemeral jellyfish.

[Xilk]

Yea comes out to be 103-108/1024, so ~10%. Thats a lot more than I expected tbh. I can't think of any job that can drop the eq haste to gain enhancements better than what a 3rd atma can give. But maybe I'm wrong~

.... might be useful on dd bst. then again you can only stack perhaps 18~19% haste on pet even if you you used all haste atma... 15% is more likely if using just the 1.. there is no baseline to show how much damage you can really get from new pets.

[EjinCaitsith]

well as an empy war, i get around 600 crits, which are 1200 when ukkos double damage procs, and if that happens on a double attack its 2k~+ for a regular double attack. Will have to see how high the proc rate is for 5x set pieces, but i dont have much to gain from any of the other atmas (usually just pickup ebon hoof since the stp atmas dont push me to 4hit)

You can either use 5hit gear and take apoc or drop some stp gear for stuff like; atheling/pole or brave/ravager's mask+2/timarli jawshan/blitz/ect and use scorpion queen to keep 5hit and an additional 10% crit.

edit: nvm looks like SQ is now 20 stp.

[Byrthnoth]

Something is odd about it then, because when I tested it this morning on DNC/NIN I got 7.4 TP single-wielding a Kila+2

190 delay = 5.2 TP base

7.4/5.2 = ~1.42

Hoard Ring, Rajas, (9) AF3+2 hat/feet (+15) = 24

1.44*5.2 = 7.488

So it'd be 20 STP. (Plaguebringer came out to be the same)

[EjinCaitsith]

Something is odd about it then, because when I tested it this morning on DNC/NIN I got 7.4 TP single-wielding a Kila+2

190 delay = 5.2 TP base

7.4/5.2 = ~1.42

Hoard Ring, Rajas, (9) AF3+2 hat/feet (+15) = 24

1.44*5.2 = 7.488

So it'd be 20 STP. (Plaguebringer came out to be the same)

Yeah, i just went out and re-tested it myself and it's indeed 20 stp. I'm fairly sure it was 30 when it was first released though. It also seems strange it's major and only 20 when Glavoid is minor and 20 also.

[Pandorablue]

Yeah, i just went out and re-tested it myself and it's indeed 20 stp. I'm fairly sure it was 30 when it was first released though. It also seems strange it's major and only 20 when Glavoid is minor and 20 also.

Couldn't possibly be a typo!

[Havian]

I was using Dark Depths and I was very happy with it. I got Apocalypse now tho and I will probably use it especially with iga back and body+2. I will be using

RR+GH+DD +usu body+Atheling Mantle for situation where evasion tanking gives very good results.
RR+GH+Apocalypse+iga back+iga body+2 for other things.

Im wondering tho which combo gives better avg :hi dmg.

Oh ok tyvm. I was wondering the same as far as better averages. I knew I should have done salvage back then.. Eh to more chariots and I'll try DD.

[Malacite]

Wasn't there a 50% cap on +crit rate gained from Atmas? The over-all cap is 95% but I thought Kirschy (or someone in that thread) found that +crit from atma caps. In which case Dark Depths is pointless.

[Gabai]

no, there is no cap from atma, there was just some confusion as to how much certain atmas gave

[NynJa]

It was later determined to be reduced to 95% I thought from a ninjapatch?

[Kirschy]

It was later determined to be reduced to 95% I thought from a ninjapatch?

My test sample was so small it's hard to tell if it was a ninja patch or not. (80/80 hits @ 100% crit rate or something.) Doesn't realli matter since we know it's 95% now~

[Thorny]

Yea comes out to be 103-108/1024, so ~10%. Thats a lot more than I expected tbh. I can't think of any job that can drop the eq haste to gain enhancements better than what a 3rd atma can give. But maybe I'm wrong~

NIN: nuskus + koga hakama, use iga x2 and dusk gloves+1/koga/tiercel to keep 25% haste. Having difficulty seeing how that would fall behind any other DD atma, unless you're getting brd buffs and breaking caps. Granted, if you compare to shinobi ring + af3 legs or twilight belt + koga or nusku's you'll easily lose but there are a lot of times you wouldn't want yellow hp.

Edit: Hm, it'd depend on how af3 set bonus+DA+TA interact i guess, closer than I thought since you're giving up iga neck and stp on goading belt. Blech.

[Kirschy]

NIN: nuskus + koga hakama, use iga x2 and dusk gloves+1/koga/tiercel to keep 25% haste. Having difficulty seeing how that would fall behind any other DD atma, unless you're getting brd buffs and breaking caps.

Yea I'm behind on newer setups for a lot of jobs. That sounds like a good trade off, although you'd probably run into delay cap problems with the new March+1 hands combined /w Lv90 Gjallar giving near capped magic haste /w normal marches + haste. Might be a while before that's more common though.

[Phraust]

Finally got Merciless Matriarch. Did some testing:

Turned off the sound highlighted Endark or Dread Spikes, and Typed /ma <spell> <me>. Waited til i got a recast in my status box and hit the screenshot button as close to it as possible:

MM = Dread Spike Recast @ ~2:50
MM = Endark @ ~0:28

Rescuer = Dread Spike Recast @ ~2:56
Rescuer = Endark @ ~0:29

MM + Rescuer = Dread Spike Recast @ ~2:46
MM + Rescuer = Endark @ ~0:26

Endark is 30 sec recast
Dread Spikes is 180 seconds recast

So
FastCast Superior = 10%
FastCast Major = 5%

Am I getting this right?

[Alistrianna]

Is there a cap on Fast Cast for the spell cast time reduction? I've used Merciless Matriarch on RDM90 with Loquacious, Duelist's tabard and Warlock's Chap +1, the Fast Cast V trait and all my spell seem to go off at 37.5 with and without the Atma. I know recast was capped at -50% between haste, fast cast, etc but wasn't entirely sure with the cast time.

[Foldypaws]

spells "actually" go off at 75% on the bar (the rest is recovery from the animation) cast time is applied to this 75%, and 50% of that (the cap) puts spells going off at 37.5% on the bar.

[Malacite]

no, there is no cap from atma, there was just some confusion as to how much certain atmas gave

So then... why not Razed Ruins Sanguine Scythe & Voracious Violet for WAR? Or Griffon Claw, but I mean if you can't drop lower than 5-hit you may as well go for max crit rate?