Atma Effects & Discussion

[Not Kuno]

Even if you can explain pretty well I'm pretty retarded with directions. I don't use AP radar and a lot of the cracks are duds. >.>

[Cymmina]

Even if you can explain pretty well I'm pretty retarded with directions. I don't use AP radar and a lot of the cracks are duds. >.>

This is not atma related >.>

http://mdh.gamependium.com/strategies/maps/d7_0.gif

Check the pink dots. I've personally seen the one near the martello north of conflux #3 up twice. They can be up on the mountain paths as well, but those are not marked on the map. This is 1000x easier with Mappy, since it will confirm the location of temporary miasmas, even if they aren't up.

[Kirschy]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/912...=1#post4377433

Reposting this since not everyone reads media.

This data suggests the term from elemental staves are NOT the same as magian staves. Elemental Staves have their own term, and magian staves share a term with elemental+ atma.

[Foldypaws]

Interesting. would explain why my Bliz IVs didn't seem as much higher than my other nukes as they should.

[Atoreis]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/912...=1#post4377433

Reposting this since not everyone reads media.

This data suggests the term from elemental staves are NOT the same as magian staves. Elemental Staves have their own term, and magian staves share a term with elemental+ atma.

My BLU is a little less sad from not having magian staffs.

[Hitoseijuro]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/912...=1#post4377433

Reposting this since not everyone reads media.

This data suggests the term from elemental staves are NOT the same as magian staves. Elemental Staves have their own term, and magian staves share a term with elemental+ atma.

Wow thats horrible, I hope SE just dropped the ball on that and might catch on to that. HQ staff vs Magi HQ is 13% difference, with 1 ele atma, it drops down to ~7% and with 2 ele atmas its only ~3%. Granted Cor cant use magi staves so they dont lose out on anything(if anything this is a good thing for them not being able to) but for blm/rdm with beyond, the 13% increase they had with magi staves is really only 7% for ice nukes. Granted its only for the corresponding element. Still.....SE....../sigh

[Atoreis]

Wow thats horrible, I hope SE just dropped the ball on that and might catch on to that. HQ staff vs Magi HQ is 13% difference, with 1 ele atma, it drops down to ~7% and with 2 ele atmas its only ~3%. Granted Cor cant use magi staves so they dont lose out on anything(if anything this is a good thing for them not being able to) but for blm/rdm with beyond, the 13% increase they had with magi staves is really only 7% for ice nukes. Granted its only for the corresponding element. Still.....SE....../sigh

How is that a fail? There is still outside abyssea and its still more then hq staves not less. 7% increase in overall dmg from one piece of equipment is pretty fucking high. Those staffs are already overpowered. Compering Hq magian vs hq ele you have 100% increase outside abyssea and ~50% inside with beyond (Compering bonus itself not overall dmg) so I doubt its a fail...

[Byrthnoth]

I have been working on Atma of the Savior, and hope to test it by the end of the week. The most time consuming thing I have left to do will be building fame in Grauberg, which looks like a huge pain in the ass. The most difficult thing I have left to do is find someone with / build a Hadhayosh pop.

9 Quests remaining - All Grauberg
2 Abyssites remaining - Both Grauberg (T2 VNM and high tier quest)
12 Atma remaining - 8 Grauberg, Hadhayosh, Briareus (somehow?), Cuelebre, Altepa T3 VNM

Anyone have tips (perhaps for Grauberg fame or the Goblin NMs) that might get it done faster? Anyone from Lakshmi want to bring me along on a Grauberg NM tour or for a Bria/Had fight?

[Sprint]

I have been working on Atma of the Savior, and hope to test it by the end of the week. The most time consuming thing I have left to do will be building fame in Grauberg, which looks like a huge pain in the ass. The most difficult thing I have left to do is find someone with / build a Hadhayosh pop.

9 Quests remaining - All Grauberg
2 Abyssites remaining - Both Grauberg (T2 VNM and high tier quest)
12 Atma remaining - 8 Grauberg, Hadhayosh, Briareus (somehow?), Cuelebre, Altepa T3 VNM

Anyone have tips (perhaps for Grauberg fame or the Goblin NMs) that might get it done faster? Anyone from Lakshmi want to bring me along on a Grauberg NM tour or for a Bria/Had fight?

Been working on this myself. Have all the atmas completed and mob abyssites, but still need almost all of the quests. Cuelebre atma can be a pain with the nature of the mob flying, can only proc during mighty strikes and it likes to spam ochre blast during that time. Best bet for that one to use a cor with leaden salute/wildfire to get discernment message and then have appropriate ws ready when the mob 2hrs. Respawns quick enough if you fail first try at least.

Probably finish before me as the quests are a huge pain and I hate doing them, but I'll test it out if I complete it first.

[Byrthnoth]

I thought I heard that magic WSs could hit him in the air, you just couldn't melee him normally until he used Mighty Strikes. Battle plan for him was to TP off Hecteyes nearby.

[Sprint]

I thought I heard that magic WSs could hit him in the air, you just couldn't melee him normally until he used Mighty Strikes. Battle plan for him was to TP off Hecteyes nearby.

Never tried that, if thats the case then shouldnt be too difficult.

[darkreign]

I thought I heard that magic WSs could hit him in the air, you just couldn't melee him normally until he used Mighty Strikes. Battle plan for him was to TP off Hecteyes nearby.

Wasn't able to earth crusher cause too far message but if u earth crusher an normal mob close to him it will hit him and will trigger discernment message.

[Foldypaws]

I have been working on Atma of the Savior, and hope to test it by the end of the week. The most time consuming thing I have left to do will be building fame in Grauberg, which looks like a huge pain in the ass. The most difficult thing I have left to do is find someone with / build a Hadhayosh pop.

9 Quests remaining - All Grauberg
2 Abyssites remaining - Both Grauberg (T2 VNM and high tier quest)
12 Atma remaining - 8 Grauberg, Hadhayosh, Briareus (somehow?), Cuelebre, Altepa T3 VNM

Anyone have tips (perhaps for Grauberg fame or the Goblin NMs) that might get it done faster? Anyone from Lakshmi want to bring me along on a Grauberg NM tour or for a Bria/Had fight?

I've got a Hadhayosh pop that we're gonna do soon for gloves, I can see about getting you in for the atma.

[Radec]

Finished savior last night - confirmed +30 to all stats.

Absorb:
1655 hits from Hannequet, 153 absorbed, counting hits for 0 where they didn't break phalanx, or shadow mantle took effect.
266 hits from Murrain Chigoe, 42 absorbed ignoring hits that landed for 0.
Will redo this on as mnk/rdm for weaker phalanx, turned to avoid guard/counters.

Resist Status:
Doesn't appear to resist aura, Upas-Kamuy's para aura came through full power.
Hannequet only landed 1/4 dream flowers, but they were ep.
Looking for suggestions here on a mob that will spam traditional debuffs (para, slow, sleep - anything with a "Resist XXX" trait available) for testing.

[Foldypaws]

Looking for suggestions here on a mob that will spam traditional debuffs (para, slow, sleep - anything with a "Resist XXX" trait available) for testing.

The mandy NMs like to spam an AoE badbreath move that I forget the name of. You could also just fight malboros.

Megantereon spams para and amnesia if you feed him TP (doesn't have regain, but does gain *huge* amounts of TP from getting hit.)

[Byrthnoth]

Bugul Noz spams Petalback Spin, but until below 40%. Also, he spams it fast enough that you probably wouldn't be able to remove any status effects that do land. MNK/RDM could probably take him below 40% though.

Could you potentially check if Absorbed HP from damage is before or after PDT and MDT are applied? I remember some testing that indicated Fiat Lux' armors absorbed damage pre-adjustment.

Overall, doesn't seem quite as awesome as I was hoping, but I'll get it! And thanks Foldypaws, I should be free whenever you want to do that with tonight being my least-free night.

[Radec]

Could you potentially check if Absorbed HP from damage is before or after PDT and MDT are applied? I remember some testing that indicated Fiat Lux' armors absorbed damage pre-adjustment.

Before pdt/mdt, chigoes did no more than 30 w/ phalanx up(-24dmg, 31%pdt), absorbed for around 60-70, up to 144(absorbed crit, assumed)

[Radec]

I have been working on Atma of the Savior, and hope to test it by the end of the week. The most time consuming thing I have left to do will be building fame in Grauberg, which looks like a huge pain in the ass. The most difficult thing I have left to do is find someone with / build a Hadhayosh pop.

9 Quests remaining - All Grauberg
2 Abyssites remaining - Both Grauberg (T2 VNM and high tier quest)
12 Atma remaining - 8 Grauberg, Hadhayosh, Briareus (somehow?), Cuelebre, Altepa T3 VNM

Anyone have tips (perhaps for Grauberg fame or the Goblin NMs) that might get it done faster? Anyone from Lakshmi want to bring me along on a Grauberg NM tour or for a Bria/Had fight?

Grauberg only need lvl3 fame (I'm still uncapped fame there, so that's not a requirement) to open all quests. After doing all lvl1 quests once, I bought 6 of each of the items for getting lucky, and did it and killed wyverns for a pursuer's wing every entry until lvl3 was open.

Grau: Either bring a horde to the T3 gob or red > brew it, it has significant damage resistance, normal hits 0-10, crits 30-40 and 10mins w/ 2nin(neither w/ Hi) drk blm for DD only took it to 60%. All magic is aoe, so wipes shadows constantly. Hits back for ~550 noncrit, acc not great, but def not floored with Full usu/boxers/eva atma-Cloak and Dagger/yonin. Even under brew blade:yu only did 4000 at 300tp, given melee atma but ree's/ugga/novio/hecate/galdr/denali legs for mab gear.

Aside from maybe hydras (did w/ shell, so 18+ people) did everything easily with 6 or less people.

Cuelebre: Cyclone can hit him in the air as well from your nin, after that just get to 2hr and hit w/e else is needed.

[Tortalius]

You dont' need to brew Fleshflayer. Check the Mob intel for his Tier 1/2 poppers. If it's too low he gains strength.

[Radec]

2515 hits, 249 absorbs.

And sure - you *could* kill T1/T2 gobs 11 times bringing 14 people to hit all triggers and cap them out, over 2 hours - or you could have a brew ready and just kill the thing once. If you've got them 100%/100% on your server, great, just saying be ready.