Atma Effects & Discussion

[ronin sparthos]

T2 Gob (Bomblix Flamefinger) sucks when fought straight up and is significantly easier to deal with kited/nuked. Frag Bomb does a ton of damage.

Fleshflayer is always going to be boosted in strength because it isn't easy (relative to other T2 mobs) to DD+mage Flamefinger and the T1 drops garbage. Fleshflayer just winds up being a super buffed Moblin with a hate reset version of Crispy Candle. It isn't hard but it takes forever like the post above describes.

[Tortalius]

Frag bomb is 5k needles. I tested this the other day. Only difference is you can reduce the dmg w/shell.

[Not Kuno]

Finished savior last night - confirmed +30 to all stats.

Does it give any bonuses to like.. MAB or evasion etc etc? Or is it just regular stats?

[Radec]

Does it give any bonuses to like.. MAB or evasion etc etc? Or is it just regular stats?

Didn't give attack or def beyond that gained from str/vit, didn't test mab yet, but doubt it.

[Trix]

I'm curious about atmas that give certain magic acc up. With mm, beyond and ultimate, what is the practicality of choosing any others that don't give a boost to damage? Case in point, bludgeoning brute, regain 1/tick(why?...) and thunder/water magic acc superior. Where would I use such an atma? I would love to use it and other similar ones, but want a good reason. Thoughts anyone?

[Obsidian]

Unless you need the accuracy there is no point.

[Foldypaws]

DRK who wants to stun while melee. Thunder acc for stun, regain for the melee.

I mean, it's probably not *optimal* but there could be some bizarre case where you want it.

Personally, I want something with refresh and melee stats. (crit+, multi attack, str, ... blue attack would be loverly.) C'mon, we do melee too!

[drwaffles]

DRK who wants to stun while melee. Thunder acc for stun, regain for the melee.

Except stun cannot resist on anything in Abyssea that doesn't already resist it/build resistance outside of extremely rare occurrences on Earthsday.

[Foldypaws]

Except stun cannot resist on anything in Abyssea that doesn't already resist it/build resistance outside of extremely rare occurrences on Earthsday.

Did you miss the part where I said it wouldn't come up often?

[Fievel]

Did you miss the part where I said it wouldn't come up often?

Point is it wouldn't come up ever

[Foldypaws]

Point is it wouldn't come up ever

Except when fighting those mobs that build resistance and you're there to proc scythe!

[drwaffles]

Except when fighting those mobs that build resistance and you're there to proc scythe!

i.e. never. Stop safefacing.

[Foldypaws]

I'll stop when it ceases to amuse me. Which, given as I'm just skilling up SMN magic in another window, is not likely to be soon.

[Cymmina]

I'm curious about atmas that give certain magic acc up. With mm, beyond and ultimate, what is the practicality of choosing any others that don't give a boost to damage? Case in point, bludgeoning brute, regain 1/tick(why?...) and thunder/water magic acc superior. Where would I use such an atma? I would love to use it and other similar ones, but want a good reason. Thoughts anyone?

Can someone confirm the actual stats on that one? JP and BG wiki lists it as thunder/water resist, and not m.acc.

[Stromgarde]

Can someone confirm the actual stats on that one? JP and BG wiki lists it as thunder/water resist, and not m.acc.

<LTG>+: Minor
<WTR>+: Minor

+50 resist each.

[Trix]

<LTG>+: Minor
<WTR>+: Minor

+50 resist each.

It's definitely that?

[Stromgarde]

It's definitely that?

Yeah, I happened to be next to the atma guy when I saw your post. Put it on, then checked the menu.

[Hitoseijuro]

How is that a fail? There is still outside abyssea and its still more then hq staves not less. 7% increase in overall dmg from one piece of equipment is pretty fucking high. Those staffs are already overpowered. Compering Hq magian vs hq ele you have 100% increase outside abyssea and ~50% inside with beyond (Compering bonus itself not overall dmg) so I doubt its a fail...

I never meantioned fail in any of my post. I said it was horrible, in the sense that a staff should be calculated just like.....any other staff, but magi staves apparantly have a different way of being calculated with any elemental damage atmas, which as I pointed out, makes the stave less affective in damage as it *could* have been. The real increase is with the ele atma and magi stave is really as comparable as going from nq to hq old staff. Which after 3 upgrades you would expect it to be where it should be in damage increase wise.

So, idk where you get any indication that somethings fail, or that magi staves arent better than old hq, but if you read my post, I simply was pointing out that the way damage is calculated for magi staves + ele atmas was odd on SEs part(and a /sigh at the end b/c its expected of SE ) and that its only a hit to any spells we use with eles(which for blms would be beyond ie ice).

[Xilk]

Anyone been able to test if absorption rate stacks up w/ the atma? for example: Savior + Despot?

[zagex]

I never meantioned fail in any of my post. I said it was horrible, in the sense that a staff should be calculated just like.....any other staff, but magi staves apparantly have a different way of being calculated with any elemental damage atmas, which as I pointed out, makes the stave less affective in damage as it *could* have been. The real increase is with the ele atma and magi stave is really as comparable as going from nq to hq old staff. Which after 3 upgrades you would expect it to be where it should be in damage increase wise.

So, idk where you get any indication that somethings fail, or that magi staves arent better than old hq, but if you read my post, I simply was pointing out that the way damage is calculated for magi staves + ele atmas was odd on SEs part(and a /sigh at the end b/c its expected of SE ) and that its only a hit to any spells we use with eles(which for blms would be beyond ie ice).

I'm a little sad that the bonus isn't as much as expected considering how much more work it is to make the staffs compared to buying a cheap staff off the AH, but what are you going to do. It's been like this for over half a year and we're only just now realizing it. It's not like our magian staffs are any worse.
Damage calculations for my cor will be more accurate now, however.

I'm kind of amused that we never figured this out earlier. Though our excuse was magian staffs came out pre-abyssea, and we found out that (without atmas) they were calculated in the same way.