US diplomatic cables to be dropped by wikileaks; US doing pre-emptive damage control

[Athas]

How the hell do you figure that exactly?

[ZarakiKujata]

Petty crimes such as rape

Sure will be petty when it happens to your sister, mother or girlfriend brah.

[Uzor]

Sure will be petty when it happens to your sister, mother or girlfriend brah.

In the grand scheme of things it is. The fact that Julian Assange's arrest - even though it were written of due to lack of evidence and shady story once before - did, is strange. No other rape case, even in the case of a suspected serial rapist, has lead to an international arrest order.

[Gryffes]

If you read the details of what the women are alleging and their communication between each other it's pretty much going to get laughed out of court.
The arrest warrant isn't for a trial or anything it's so they can interview him - something he already volunteered to do.

[Moosey]

Now, the other diplomat cables were somewhat interesting and probably not that big of a deal, but this is really crossing the line from wanting government transparency to being irresponsible and criminal.

WikiLeaks lists sites key to U.S. security

[aurik]

What's criminal about it?

[Edelweiss]

How the fuck is any of that even -secret-? Fuck, it's kind of a "no shit" deal. It probably only takes some basic logic and Google to figure out what's particularly vital to commerce and such (excluding something obscure).

Major waterway for shipping/transport of materials? Target. Come on now. It's not like it's something the fucking Somali pirates haven't figured out already.

And I really don't see any criminality in any of this, still.

[Cyn]

Now, the other diplomat cables were somewhat interesting and probably not that big of a deal, but this is really crossing the line from wanting government transparency to being irresponsible and criminal.

WikiLeaks lists sites key to U.S. security

Agreed, that's going too far.

How the fuck is any of that even -secret-? Fuck, it's kind of a "no shit" deal. It probably only takes some basic logic and Google to figure out what's particularly vital to commerce and such (excluding something obscure).

Major waterway for shipping/transport of materials? Target. Come on now. It's not like it's something the fucking Somali pirates haven't figured out already.

And I really don't see any criminality in any of this, still.

If the lock on your front door broke, would you want someone to stand on your roof with a bullhorn and tell people about it while you're out buying a replacement?

Obviously well funded and organized terrorist groups can find out most of the weaknesses, but releasing that kind of information makes some of the less obvious ones prime targets for anyone with a internet connection and a grudge against the government.

[Kuya]

I can see how that leak might adversely affect US interests. Of course the idea that this information was a very important secret or that this will lead to deaths is pure exaggeration.

It seems that people like athas want to keep insisting, after every leak, that someone is going to die, until, some day, it happens, and they think they will be vindicated. It does not matter that the same thing was said for the previous leaks and nothing serious happened. They will just keep insisting on the same damn point and be wrong on the principles again and again and again.

[Cyn]

What's criminal about it?

The US government could very easily consider it a violation of the espionage act.

[aurik]

The US government could very easily consider it a violation of the espionage act.

Ok, but what gives the US government any jurisdiction?

[Moosey]

Ok, but what gives the US government any jurisdiction?

What gave them jurisdiction to pursue bin Laden?

While this isn't a physical attack on our country, it's still a major security breach and the results of it could potentially be devastating.

[Uzor]

I can see how that leak might adversely affect US interests. Of course the idea that this information was a very important secret or that this will lead to deaths is pure exaggeration.

It seems that people like athas want to keep insisting, after every leak, that someone is going to die, until, some day, it happens, and they think they will be vindicated. It does not matter that the same thing was said for the previous leaks and nothing serious happened. They will just keep insisting on the same damn point and be wrong on the principles again and again and again.

Exactly. You can say "You'll get killed tomorrow!" again and again and again... That does not mean that when it happens you were right, even if, in your eyes, saying "I told you so!" is 100% correct just because you choose to ignore the other times it didn't happen.

[LinktheDeme]

I know I'm pretty slow to be jumping on the wikileaks bandwagon now. But I was confused as to why when I Google wiki leaks that the first link doesn't work (wikileaks.org). Was there website shut down by the US government and forced to move? Or do I just have the wrong URL?

[Khajit]

Yeah but they have over 9000 servers spread out all over the world now in retaliation.

http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html

[Cyn]

Exactly. You can say "You'll get killed tomorrow!" again and again and again... That does not mean that when it happens you were right, even if, in your eyes, saying "I told you so!" is 100% correct just because you choose to ignore the other times it didn't happen.

What?

[Kuya]

What gave them jurisdiction to pursue bin Laden?

While this isn't a physical attack on our country, it's still a major security breach and the results of it could potentially be devastating.

The Espionage Act, aside from having a shaky constitutional basis, is not international law.

[Uzor]

What?

I apologize if its unclear what I mean, I just came home from work and on my way to bed, so I don't have the energy to rewrite it.

[Olo401]

I know I'm pretty slow to be jumping on the wikileaks bandwagon now. But I was confused as to why when I Google wiki leaks that the first link doesn't work (wikileaks.org). Was there website shut down by the US government and forced to move? Or do I just have the wrong URL?

Nah that's correct - it's down but Google still has the old website indexed.

[Cyn]

I apologize if its unclear what I mean, I just came home from work and on my way to bed, so I don't have the energy to rewrite it.

It sounds like you're implying that being wrong about something in the past prevents you from ever being right about it.

The fact is that this is the sort of thing that only has to happen once, no matter how many times it was warned against.