US diplomatic cables to be dropped by wikileaks; US doing pre-emptive damage control

[Cadsuane]

Sad part in all this is that this will have more of an impact to our grandchildren then this or the next generation.


Some of the shit that is coming out is on giving smallpox to the Native Americans level. Definitely not a good time to be an American.

It has never really been one. American history is an unbroken chain of morally questionable cultural and political events. The moral superiority of the American state and way of life is an institutionalized jingoistic fiction.

[Cadsuane]

Some (blurry) details surfacing:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/tensi...126-18apy.html

According to the London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Hayat, several documents show that the US had in turn been providing assistance to Turkey's Kurdish separatist movement, the PKK.
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Founded in the 1970s, the PKK is listed as a terrorist organisation in Turkey, the US, the European Union and Australia.

A report in Israel's Jerusalem Post said the US military documents refer to the PKK as ''warriors for freedom and Turkish citizens'' and say that the US had set free arrested PKK members in Iraq.

The documents also point out that US forces in Iraq have given weapons to the PKK and ignored the organisation's operations inside Turkey.

One of the documents to be released is also believed to charge Turkey with providing indirect assistance to the terrorist group al-Qaeda by failing to properly control the movement of people across its shared border with Iraq.

The document alleges that Iraqi citizens living in Turkey with ties to al-Qaeda were able to move freely in and out of Iraq and supply al-Qaeda with bomb-making materials and ammunition.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...-update1-.html

Italy’s government said “classified reports” on U.S. foreign relations expected to be published by the website Wikileaks.org may harm the country as Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi fights for his political survival.

Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said during a Cabinet meeting in Rome today that the documents may have “negative repercussions” on Italy, according to an e-mailed statement from Berlusconi’s office.

A probe into Finmeccanica SpA, the nation’s largest defense contractor, media coverage of a garbage crisis in Naples and the publication of the top-secret reports were “signs of a plot to strike at the image of Italy on the international stage,” Frattini said. The Cabinet “unanimously shared” his concern.

The government faces a test of its survival in confidence votes in parliament on Dec. 14. The Constitutional Court is due to rule that day on the validity of a law that grants Berlusconi and top officials immunity from prosecution while in office, a decision that may prompt the resumption of corruption trials against the premier. The Wikileaks documents detail graft allegations against foreign leaders, Reuters said on Nov. 24, citing people familiar with the reports.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1812899/

One concern, for example, is that the documents may reveal the kinds of pressure the U.S. administration has put on various countries to accept the transfer of Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release but are unwelcome in their home countries.

Canadian detainee Omar Khadr was the subject of discussions last month between Cannon and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Canada has long resisted repatriating Mr. Khadr, the only western detainee remaining at Guantanamo Bay, despite pressure from both American and Canada's federal courts. That position is thought to have caused tensions between the two countries.

The Toronto-born Mr. Khadr pleaded guilty last month to five war crimes, including the murder of a U.S. soldier during a firefight in Afghanistan in July 2002.

On Oct. 31, Mr. Khadr was sentenced to eight years in prison. According to a pre-trial deal, the 24-year-old man will serve one more year in U.S. custody, and after that he can apply to transfer to Canada to serve out the balance of his sentence under Canadian terms.

It remains to be seen if diplomatic cables between Ottawa and Washington regarding Mr. Khadr, the Canadian mission in Afghanistan or other bilateral matters will be among the documents expected to be released this weekend.

[SephYuyX]

PKK

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[Cadsuane]

Get the fuck out of my thread Trixi.

[Rhinox]

It has never really been one. American history is an unbroken chain of morally questionable cultural and political events. The moral superiority of the American state and way of life is an institutionalized jingoistic fiction.

Hey fuck you Canadian.

You're just mad cause you're North America's Butthole.

[SephYuyX]

Get the fuck out of my thread Trixi.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/28/36539950.jpg

[Cadsuane]

Hey fuck you Canadian.

You're just mad cause you're North America's Butthole.

Aren't you a goddamn mexican?

[Rhinox]

I'm an American sir.

And people don't usually go vacation to Buttholes. which is why Canada is NA butthole.

Not often you hear people lets go see some moose in the summer.


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[Cadsuane]

I'm an American sir.

And people don't usually go vacation to Buttholes. which is why Canada is NA butthole.

Not often you hear people lets go see some moose in the summer.

I'm just asking because it's getting ambiguous. Are we ribbing one another or are we actually doing this?

[Rhinox]

I don't know what you can possibly mean. I speak only truth

[Kuya]

According to the London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Hayat, several documents show that the US had in turn been providing assistance to Turkey's Kurdish separatist movement, the PKK.
Advertisement: Story continues below

Founded in the 1970s, the PKK is listed as a terrorist organisation in Turkey, the US, the European Union and Australia.

A report in Israel's Jerusalem Post said the US military documents refer to the PKK as ''warriors for freedom and Turkish citizens'' and say that the US had set free arrested PKK members in Iraq.

The documents also point out that US forces in Iraq have given weapons to the PKK and ignored the organisation's operations inside Turkey.

One of the documents to be released is also believed to charge Turkey with providing indirect assistance to the terrorist group al-Qaeda by failing to properly control the movement of people across its shared border with Iraq.

The document alleges that Iraqi citizens living in Turkey with ties to al-Qaeda were able to move freely in and out of Iraq and supply al-Qaeda with bomb-making materials and ammunition.

I wonder if this is true. This is pretty extreme, even for the US.

[aurik]

Uh, Iran Contra affair sez hi

[Kuya]

We're not talking about under the table deals with countries with whom the US is supposed to be against or with terrorist organizations, but the US dealing with terrorist organizations that are against a country with whom the US has strong diplomatic ties. In any case, i'd assume Turkey already knew about this, since this isn't really something that's easy to hide when Turkey is right next door, but i could be wrong and this could be a disaster if true.

[aurik]

It's standard dirty tricks, and I'm sure that the PKK / Turkey is not the only place they're funneling resources & aid to subversives. It's not an incredibly uncommon thing, either: look at how successful Pakistan has been at playing both sides of the fence.

[Kuya]

Well perhaps it was my fault for holding the US to higher standards than Paskitan and perhaps i made a mistake in thinking that national governments understood that prentending to have good relations with a country (a country that is well integrated in the international system of States) while simultaniously assisting non-State actors that intend to undermine the security of said country is a very bad move. Which is why i think it's either false or Turkey already knew since it's such bad move on its face.

[miokomioko]

Maybe it was the US just giving a subtle nod to Armenia without actually acknowledging the genocide.

[aurik]

It's not in the US interest to have a strong Turkey (at least, not with the current government). So I'm not surprised in the least.

See also: all the dirty tricks that Israel pulls.

[pohibaba]

I wonder how much of this is going to be the Bush Administration's responsibility and how much the current administration be responsible for. Does President Obama have a responsibility to immediately end anything that he finds morally reprehensible?

[Rhinox]

I wonder how much of this is going to be the Bush Administration's responsibility and how much the current administration be responsible for. Does President Obama have a responsibility to immediately end anything that he finds morally reprehensible?

He hasn't done it yet so why start now?

[archibaldcrane]

Part of the problem with these leak-bombs is that it's too much info at once.

You'd think they'd spread these leaks out so each big one gets its own shot in the 24-hour news cycle - so much info won't be properly disseminated in the media like this.