US diplomatic cables to be dropped by wikileaks; US doing pre-emptive damage control

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Good point, except, I never said I wouldn't be concerned in general. All I'm saying is, "I'm not going to feel compassion for the prick who gets screwed." Even if that implies I have no concern for the precedent it might set, it does not mean I have no concern for the dangerous precedent it might set, because I would be concerned.

[Callisto]

This of course also all includes the strict objective parameters that constitute someone being 'a prick'

[aurik]

It's right there in the 14th amendment. No State shall deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, or if they are a prick.

[Elvis]

THIS IS AMERICA, IF U DONT LOVE IT THEN GET OUT

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

It's right there in the 14th amendment. No State shall deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, or if they are a prick.

I don't get why this is so difficult. Do I think it's wrong for him to get screwed? Yes. Will I feel sorry for him? No.

[Correction]

I don't get why this is so difficult. Do I think it's wrong for him to get screwed? Yes. Will I feel sorry for him? No.

You muddy the waters by using a retarded phrase like 'getting what he deserves,' which carries both legal and ethical weight. Amazing how bad you are at choosing your words this far into law school.

[Cyn]

I hate to defend Swamp over anything (ugh), but you can definitely be professionally concerned over a situation involving a person that you don't personally give a fuck about.

In fact, I'd imagine defense attorneys frequently loathe their clients.

[Demosthenes11]

I hate to defend Swamp over anything (ugh), but you can definitely be professionally concerned over a situation involving a person that you don't personally give a fuck about.

In fact, I'd imagine defense attorneys frequently loathe their clients.

and when their clients rights are violated, they dont take it as a personal victory. jesus titty christ

[Cyn]

and when their clients rights are violated, they dont take it as a personal victory. jesus titty christ

What the fuck are you talking about? This is twice that you've replied to me acting all exasperated yet making no fucking sense whatsoever.

Are you saying that Swamp has a hard-on for this dude's rights being violated? Because that's not what I read.

[Demosthenes11]

when a defense attorney is defending his client on murder charges, and he knows his client is probably guilty, what do you think his reaction would be when his clients rights are violated?

[archibaldcrane]

when a defense attorney is defending his client on murder charges, and he knows his client is probably guilty, what do you think his reaction would be when his clients rights are violated?

"SWEET! I hope I can use this to get him off, furthering my reputation as the most ballerest lawyer in the whole legal game!"

?

[Cyn]

If he's professional about it he would point it out and put a stop to it. Does that mean he has to be shocked and appalled on some deep personal level? Fuck no, he can sit and think that the schmuck deserves it as much as he wants. In fact, he can go home and tell his wife that too. Or post on BG about it.

[Demosthenes11]

If he's professional about it he would point it out and put a stop to it. Does that mean he has to be shocked and appalled on some deep personal level? Fuck no, he can sit and think that the schmuck deserves it as much as he wants. In fact, he can go home and tell his wife that too. Or post on BG about it.

and that makes you a shitty lawyer. your job is to uphold the law and believe in it. you want people to get what they deserve in the letter of the law, not on some arbitrary moral ground

[Kuya]

Cables: Shell Boasted of Infiltrating Nigerian Gov’t

WikiLeaks continues to release more documents from its trove of some quarter million classified U.S. diplomatic cables. Among the new disclosures is a claim that the oil giant Royal Dutch Shell essentially infiltrated the Nigerian government to monitor and influence decisions related to its business in the Niger Delta. A cable from October 2009 quotes Ann Pickard, then Shell’s vice president in Africa, saying that the Nigerian government "forgot] that Shell had seconded people to all the relevant ministries and that Shell consequently had access to everything that was being done in those ministries." An earlier cable from 2008 shows that Shell passed intelligence claims to U.S. diplomats, including naming two Nigerian politicians the company said were backing Nigerian militants. Shell officials also asked the United States to relay information on whether Nigerian militants had acquired anti-aircraft missiles. In an ironic aside, one cable quotes the Shell executive, Ann Pickard, as saying she’s hesitant to talk to U.S. officials because the U.S. government is "leaky." The cable continues, "She may be concerned that ... bad news about Shell’s Nigerian operations will leak out." In response to the cables, Celestine AkpoBari of the group Social Action Nigeria said, "Shell is everywhere. They have an eye and an ear in every ministry of Nigeria… They are more powerful than the Nigerian government."

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/9/headlines#1

[Cyn]

and that makes you a shitty lawyer. your job is to uphold the law and believe in it. you want people to get what they deserve in the letter of the law, not on some arbitrary moral ground

What planet do you live on?

[archibaldcrane]

and that makes you a shitty lawyer. your job is to uphold the law and believe in it. you want people to get what they deserve in the letter of the law, not on some arbitrary moral ground

Defense lawyers want people to get what they deserve?

wtfisthisshit.jpg

Also that stuff about Shell running Nigeria is pretty baller. This is Africa, etc. etc.

[Valisk]

What planet do you live on?

Regardless if that's what actually happens, that's what the job is suppose to do. Why do you think most politicians are lawyers? Because they've forgetten the job description just as much as you and Swamp have. One of the reasons I wouldn't want to use a law degree to be a defense attorney/prosecutor. I wouldn't want to defend someone who is guilty or prosecute someone who is innocent. Most don't care as long as they get a paycheck but that shouldn't be how things work.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Defense lawyers want people to get what they deserve?

wtfisthisshit.jpg

Also that stuff about Shell running Nigeria is pretty baller. This is Africa, etc. etc.

I think he meant legally speaking.

[Cyn]

Regardless if that's what actually happens, that's what the job is suppose to do. Why do you think most politicians are lawyers? Because they've forgetten the job description just as much as you and Swamp have. One of the reasons I wouldn't want to use a law degree to be a defense attorney/prosecutor. I wouldn't want to defend someone who is guilty or prosecute someone who is innocent. Most don't care as long as they get a paycheck but that shouldn't be how things work.

No. Just no. The burden of judgment falls on the jury. A defense attorney's DUTY is to defend his client within the letter of the law. His OPINION of whether the person is guilty has nothing to do with it. So, if his client's rights are being violated, he is LEGALLY BOUND to prevent it.

What the fuck.

[Kuya]

Gonna ask a mod to cut this discussion off since it's pretty stupid and it's clottering up space.

edit: Let's try to stick to the leaks and Wikileaks.