Post-Patch SP findings

[Grey Jorildyn]

As opposed to solo grinding Doblyns? Take it to the bitch thread I guess, keep this for the data.

Yeah, because it's easier to log on and solo however long you want then log off whenever you feel like it.

In order to make leves worthwhile, you have to gather several people together, which is a hassle in itself. Then all the travel time, and cycling through all the leves. Something tells me, call me crazy, that the hassle isn't worth it to some people, so they'd rather solo coblyns/doblyns than jump through hoops to eek out another 3-5k/h of SP.

You can have all these posts moved to bitch thread if you like, I am just responding, relevantly I might add, to your inquiries.

[Hyan]

Basically the normal problem in most MMO's. "You can group if you want to!", but the proper incentive is not there. I originally would have assumed this game has the incentive, if only because the crazy grind makes soloing less acceptable for progression as opposed to other MMO's where soloing gets you there pretty fast, so no grouping is ever "needed".

Just gotta raise the leve exp again I guess. Force the people out of the XI mindset. Those who don't want to adjust can just leave, or make their own little community of rebels.

[Tezz]

Not responding to anyone directly. My personal preference has leaned towards solo or small group grinding.
Reasoning is that leves are usually a waste of time with large groups taking hours on end just to finish them all. In the end i usually get around 20k or so after like 3-4hrs+.

So far, solo i can get 8k/hr and 10k+/hr in small pt (going from rank 35-40 it's remained this way). It's to the point now where i get on and solo 10k and then take 30min-2hr break, come back and solo another 10k. If you can manage that, it's not THAT bad. It just gets the point where you can't expect to get a level every day(or 2), and i'm fine with that for now.

It's not that i love grinding, i just feel leves are not designed well enough to be worth while. It sux that R40 leves still have monsters that only give around 70-100SP with favor & sometimes linking still. Even 200-300 is too low, IMO. No monster for a R40 leve should give less than like 400-500, imo. But what are you gonna do?

[Darus Grey]

You still get SP at rank 50, you know. So that means when I do my 4 star rank 30 leves I can still see that each mob is only giving me only 100 SP even if it is not adding toward anything. Rank 40's on one star give me 40-70 SP per mob. Wasn't it already proven on another page in this thread that the scaling for adding stars couldn't ever be enough to boost it up to this 600 you speak of...? .

Yes, I can do (some) R40 leves at 5star on my 35THM and I only get like 250~.

Just gotta raise the leve exp again I guess. Force the people out of the XI mindset

If they about tripled it 30+, it'd be worthwhile imho. That'd make leves slightly better XP than you used to be able to get, well it being a large enough chunk that you can get a lvl every 1-3 days 40+ off leves alone. As it is I need to do a whole weeks worth of leves just to get 1 level in the 30s... Once the scaling makes the R30 leves start to suck, it's just painful.

[Chakra]

And is there any reason why you chose to solo Doblyns round the clock for 100SP? I get more than that at R50 when I switch to kill something in a 2 star R30 leve for my other jobs.

Yeah, theyre appealing cos they die fast. I get it. Still a case of doing it wrong. 5star 40 leves with a few links is easily 600+SP/mob all the way up to 50.

I have done 5 star leves with links and I've never got 600+ SP per mob. I have no idea what you're talking about. Plus, my server is pretty bare and not a lot of people were in my range. So, that's great you were able to link your leves allllll the way up to that amount, if it is true, but I didn't have that luxury. So, I took the masochistic route.

[Hyan]

If they about tripled it 30+, it'd be worthwhile imho. That'd make leves slightly better XP than you used to be able to get, well it being a large enough chunk that you can get a lvl every 1-3 days 40+ off leves alone. As it is I need to do a whole weeks worth of leves just to get 1 level in the 30s... Once the scaling makes the R30 leves start to suck, it's just painful.

Sounds good. That, or they just increase the amount of mobs in a single leve. 8 per is pretty pathetic for grinding purposes, even if there are some links here and there.

[Tezz]

If they about tripled it 30+, it'd be worthwhile imho. That'd make leves slightly better XP than you used to be able to get, well it being a large enough chunk that you can get a lvl every 1-3 days 40+ off leves alone. As it is I need to do a whole weeks worth of leves just to get 1 level in the 30s... Once the scaling makes the R30 leves start to suck, it's just painful.

Sounds good. That, or they just increase the amount of mobs in a single leve. 8 per is pretty pathetic for grinding purposes, even if there are some links here and there.

Honestly, it should be both. Then this game might have a chance of holding up with the lolCasuals.

Also, give crafters favor too!

[Kurokikaze]

Awful Offal -

1 Person doing leve and we got 91 a kill on 3 stars. Then we had 2 people leve link cause we didnt want to do it again and exp went up to 182. This is without aspect.

So we actually had a leve where we could link 2 people again so we tested.

0 link - 108
1 link - 155
2 links - 216

We're gonna try to test further links on next reset. Hopefully we'll get more people on same leve.

[viion]

I've been trying to read the pages over the past few days but not sure if anyone mentioned this:

The cap on linking is 3, anymore people who link after will not gain link boost.

At rank 15 doing rank 10's each link moved it up by 100sp, so 300 would end up 700, by about 20 it was 60sp increase per link.
I made mules on a buddy key and boosted myself to test it.

All I remember for rank 1 is if you buddy boost 3 linked leves, you can get over 2k SP a kill, you can hit rank 10+ in 1 leve lol. It also works on mining and such, getting 2k+ for rank 1 leves, bit harder to boost them up though.

I've experienced the same SP as others on rank 40 leves. I've not found it very viable to grind, the best way I've found it atm is power leveling lol. got a rank 50 friend and i just follow and he beats stuff up in coerthas and I get 200ish SP on my rank 35 conjurer. I just heal him now n then.

[Celeras]

Awful Offal -

1 Person doing leve and we got 91 a kill on 3 stars. Then we had 2 people leve link cause we didnt want to do it again and exp went up to 182. This is without aspect.

So we actually had a leve where we could link 2 people again so we tested.

0 link - 108
1 link - 155
2 links - 216

We're gonna try to test further links on next reset. Hopefully we'll get more people on same leve.

Was the person giving the SP #s within boost range of the other two people in the party? Everything I have points to +50% for a single link (same as aspect).. but yours are a bit under that.

[viion]

Was the person giving the SP #s within boost range of the other two people in the party? Everything I have points to +50% for a single link (same as aspect).. but yours are a bit under that.

I dont know if its so static
Rank 1 no Link = 600sp
Rank 1 3 link = 2100sp

Thats a 350% boost on ranks 1's

Rank 15 was about 220% boost with 3 links. Duo'd

[Celeras]

I try not to count shit under 20 since everything is crazy inflated. And all I'm going on is the single test I did that took me from 87->130SP with a single link in a 3 man group at rank20.

[Kurokikaze]

Was the person giving the SP #s within boost range of the other two people in the party? Everything I have points to +50% for a single link (same as aspect).. but yours are a bit under that.

These were my own numbers and the other people in the party showed about the same exp boost per link. Made sure that everyone was together when killing. We had 4 people in 32-34 range and one 24. This was on a Necrologo leve where we pop mobs - we made sure to kill the same mob before and after but I still would like to test this on a farming leve like Lightsome Verdue.

Overall the numbers showed about a 45-50% bonus to the base exp (unboosted exp/sp) per person linking. I recorded my results and will be putting it together when I have more footage.

@ viion - I really hope you're not correct about the link limit being 3. That would kill any hope of trying to get 500+ a kill. ;/

[viion]

@ viion - I really hope you're not correct about the link limit being 3. That would kill any hope of trying to get 500+ a kill. ;/

It is fact and anyone can test it. I tested it like so:
Get Leve: kill 1 mob, link, 2 mob, link, 3 mob etc, SP always stopped increasing after the 3rd link, I would solo the mob every time.

I've tested this on rank 1-10-20 and I can probably guarantee it will be the same for rank 30-40. but I cant link any-more than 3 as I only have 4 characters @ rank 23+.

I have 8 characters on buddy key all rank 13+ which I can use to link leves together and my main on another account can solo the leve for all the SP + 3 link boosted XD I've tried 4-5 links by adding more people to PT to see if more PT members would increase cap, but this turned out false, those people who linked did not gain no extra.

[sruon]

11 man party, 26-34 spread (I'm lowest), with aspect, 3 links and 4 star

Spoiler: show

[Tezz]

Now to see a Screenshot of the same thing but for 40 leves.

[euph]

I have brought my linkshell out and have done group 40 leves (Ul'dah). No screenshot but i can tell you that we have linked 5 or more at a time and have seen similar results as the previous screenshot. Also a fish to fry was giving members without surplus and invoked gaurdians aspect 502(over the cap) sp per kill. This was one of the ones that we linked 5+ people. We are going to do another set of group leves all day tomorrow. I can post screenshots after that.

[Tezz]

I have brought my linkshell out and have done group 40 leves (Ul'dah). No screenshot but i can tell you that we have linked 5 or more at a time and have seen similar results as the previous screenshot. Also a fish to fry was giving members without surplus and invoked gaurdians aspect 502(over the cap) sp per kill. This was one of the ones that we linked 5+ people. We are going to do another set of group leves all day tomorrow. I can post screenshots after that.

Yea i never doubted the #'s couldn't go that high, but damn 5+ linking is annoying as hell. Here's to hoping December SP adjustments.

[viion]

You will of got same SP if you linked 3 times, linking 5 is a waste (unless the reward is good), it caps at 3 and you wont get SP boost for them 2 more.

[euph]

I highly doubt this because from my experience there has been a noticeable change in sp gain even after 3.