Prep. Update Data Mine (Nov 30 2010)

[Myrrh_Quetz]

SE won't add Bahamut. Stop it.

[Spira]

semantics: KO is a hit or miss, therefore it can't deal damage, where damage is measured by amount of HP reduced.

if you're referring to effective damage resulting from KOing mobs, Odin does a pretty fine job. If you stack it up against 1 Diamond Dust, its effective 'damage' in comparison depends entirely on how many mobs you bother to hoard for Diamond Dust..

personally I think any situation where Diamond Dust could deal more damage requires you to gather more mobs than it is convenient / practical to do...

anyway I didn't include it before.. but i'm quite sure...
ROM/259/71 - Fleet Wind
ROM/259/72 - Diamond Storm

ROM/259/18 - Inferno Howl was in the video

[Draylo]

SE won't add Bahamut. Stop it.

and you know this how? Shut up.

[Byrthnoth]

semantics: KO is a hit or miss, therefore it can't deal damage, where damage is measured by amount of HP reduced.

if you're referring to effective damage resulting from KOing mobs, Odin does a pretty fine job. If you stack it up against 1 Diamond Dust, its effective 'damage' in comparison depends entirely on how many mobs you bother to hoard for Diamond Dust..

personally I think any situation where Diamond Dust could deal more damage requires you to gather more mobs than it is convenient / practical to do...

If KO chance is more than (% MP)/(# of targets), it isn't dramatically more in my experience. Most monsters in Abyssea only have ~5k HP.

[Draylo]

but Odin looks way more cool.

[Alkar]

Oh I can read just fine. Suggesting Diamond Dust over Zantetsuken and then point out an unrealistic situation where it's true is extremely pathetic.
Go out, gather a group of mobs, Diamond Dust them to death without death or need of support and then you have an argument.
Seriously you can't tell me that Diamond Dust has potential to deal more damage and then forget that you can't do all this alone and you're basically describing an AF pt. Odin can oneshot multiple mobs without any need of support from other people or danger for the Summoner. If you call this a joke then you better think twice.

[chazzyphizzle]

odin fucking sucks in xp, and i hate smns that take 2hr chests for it

[Spira]

Oh I can read just fine. Suggesting Diamond Dust over Zantetsuken and then point out an unrealistic situation where it's true is extremely pathetic.
Go out, gather a group of mobs, Diamond Dust them to death without death or need of support and then you have an argument.
Seriously you can't tell me that Diamond Dust has potential to deal more damage and then forget that you can't do all this alone and you're basically describing an AF pt. Odin can oneshot multiple mobs without any need of support from other people or danger for the Summoner. If you call this a joke then you better think twice.

this.

odin fucking sucks in xp, and i hate smns that take 2hr chests for it

Odin's not that bad. if your SMNs doing it right, then you should be getting much more from having Odin than not. Odin should be taking a handful of mobs and killing nearly all of them. 3-5 is good. For the 1 2hr chest that a SMN might use to AF and summon Odin, you could get 2 or more 2hr chests back, or any other blue chest for that matter. If its just one, he could still be self-sufficient and perpetuate his own cycle of mob killing, and give you more in return. No other job can effortlessly offer this with their 2hr. Too bad if you don't get another 2hr chest again, not like its rare.

[chazzyphizzle]

3-5 mobs is not good

[Sho]

SE won't add Bahamut. Stop it.

Depressed SMNs make me rofl. Always aim low, yo.

[TheDirtyHobo]

this.



Odin's not that bad. if your SMNs doing it right, then you should be getting much more from having Odin than not. Odin should be taking a handful of mobs and killing nearly all of them. 3-5 is good. For the 1 2hr chest that a SMN might use to AF and summon Odin, you could get 2 or more 2hr chests back, or any other blue chest for that matter. If its just one, he could still be self-sufficient and perpetuate his own cycle of mob killing, and give you more in return. No other job can effortlessly offer this with their 2hr. Too bad if you don't get another 2hr chest again, not like its rare.

The problem is you guys seem to be confusing "exp party" with "solo". If you have a BLM in your PT, sleepga the mobs between Diamond Dusts. If you have a WAR/DRG in your party, Perfect Defense and Fell Cleave/Sonic Thrust them. If you have a BRD, have them Soul Voice marches. All of these lead to way more than 3-5 kills from a 2hr chest.

[Massimo]

If you have a BLM in your PT, sleepga the mobs between Diamond Dusts.

Fuck yeah.

[vagus]

Oh man. thought my smn would be stuck at 84. Gonna try using Diamond Dust since i'm too fuckin lazy to get Odin. I'm a microwave summoner. I'm sure they're are haters in the building, but i have capped summoner skill atleast. Lolz~

[TheDirtyHobo]

Fuck yeah.

Huh, was thinking it was a Rage ability so you couldn't use it after Diamond Dust, my bad. Even better, then.

[Spira]

The problem is you guys seem to be confusing "exp party" with "solo". If you have a BLM in your PT, sleepga the mobs between Diamond Dusts. If you have a WAR/DRG in your party, Perfect Defense and Fell Cleave/Sonic Thrust them. If you have a BRD, have them Soul Voice marches. All of these lead to way more than 3-5 kills from a 2hr chest.

dunno bout you but in most of the pts ive been in, thats already more coordination than they'd bother to handle. i mean, srsly, its just abyssea exp. half the people in there dont give a shit that they're not playing their job right and you want them to coordinate? and its not like they really need to bother since either way they're making good exp and g-ing tfo when theyre done.

end of the day, i still like Odin more cos hes more fun to use lol. if someone in the abyssea pt has a problem with it, maybe he should seek advice from the guy who "brb wc" for 45minutes and counting, or the guy who does nothing but open chests

[Soho]

Huh, was thinking it was a Rage ability so you couldn't use it after Diamond Dust, my bad. Even better, then.

Realistically, you probably still can't use it right after Diamond Dust because (depending on how many mobs you just -ga'd) your Avatar will likely be dead before you could get Sleepga BP off.

[Aerynlia]

That and it's also 56 MP after you use all of your MP. SMN/BLM can totally ES sleepga though.

[Massimo]

You all fucking suck for thinking that was an actual suggestion.

[Aerynlia]

Oh, I really thought you were serious. Well I'll just hold my head in shame now for suggesting SMN/BLM at this point.

[Atoreis]

dunno bout you but in most of the pts ive been in, thats already more coordination than they'd bother to handle. i mean, srsly, its just abyssea exp. half the people in there dont give a shit that they're not playing their job right and you want them to coordinate? and its not like they really need to bother since either way they're making good exp and g-ing tfo when theyre done.

end of the day, i still like Odin more cos hes more fun to use lol. if someone in the abyssea pt has a problem with it, maybe he should seek advice from the guy who "brb wc" for 45minutes and counting, or the guy who does nothing but open chests

Dont need to coordinate anything. Give 2hr chest for WAR. 300TP sekkanoki, warcry, cleave -> cleave up to 20 monsters dead in 3 sec. Much better then lolOdin. Only thing needed for this is WAR that know how to stand and range of fell cleave. Ofc Perfect Defence with WAR Fell cleaving works almost the same and its safer. On the other hand last time I did Ally exp party with random ppl was probably like 2 months ago. Maybe its better ppl still do ally because its more free camps for me.