Prep. Update Data Mine (Nov 30 2010)

[Alkar]

After seeing how they handled Alex & Odin, I wouldn't be surprised if they finally caved and gave us Bahamut & Phoenix in the same fashion - Astral Flow, 1-shot deals with very powerful effects.


Go go AoE Raise 3 with no weakness + AoE Fire damage (Rebirth Flame <3)

Assuming they do in fact do this, they need to change Bahamut's Gigaflare to non-elemental and ignore magic defense/resistance.


Accession + Regain is going to be some sexy shit... does that make Voracious Violet better or worse though for DD? I guess we won't really know the full the answer to that until we see the new atmas. Ultima is also traditionally in the same boat as mega/giga/terra flare btw - non-elemental, magic def ignoring AoE damage and I'd be astonished if SCH got anything remotely close to that. If anything, BLM would get it possibly as a lv 99 merit.

Wrong. If they continue with the BP progression, there is enough room for Garuda, Ifrit, Shiva, Ramuh, Diabolos, Carbuncle, and Fenrir to all get Wards, and then merit BPs for the elemental avatars to replace Pred Claws and the like.

Also they strictly stated that in order to give us Bahamut, they felt they would have to dumb him down, which they didn't want to do. I don't want that either. Phoenix? I'd be fine with Phoenix, because I want a light avatar that isn't half gimped like Carbuncle. Hell, I've been lobbying for a Pixie avatar because I like them so much.

But yeah, like Necromancer, we probably will never see Bahamut. I'm not going to call anything impossible given the new FFXI team, but I would call these highly unlikely.

Wrong? We're not going to 99 in one shot lol. We have been getting 1 new BP every 2 levels and the next three are Garuda, Ifrit and Shiva in that order. How is this wrong exactly? Garuda at 86, Ifrit at 88, Shiva at 90. Ramuh ends up at 92.
That Bahamut quote is incredibly old, way before Odin and Alexander were added. Isn't Odin broken? He sure is. He is also tied to Astral Flow so no, they really don't need to nerf Bahamut at all. If anything they need to give him some unique gimmick to not overshadow other "AF" avatars.
Remember Meteor? It wasn't going to become available to players years ago and here we are, waiting for it.

[Forte]

Wrong? We're not going to 99 in one shot lol. We have been getting 1 new BP every 2 levels and the next three are Garuda, Ifrit and Shiva in that order. How is this wrong exactly? Garuda at 86, Ifrit at 88, Shiva at 90. Ramuh ends up at 92.
That Bahamut quote is incredibly old, way before Odin and Alexander were added. Isn't Odin broken? He sure is. He is also tied to Astral Flow so no, they really don't need to nerf Bahamut at all. If anything they need to give him some unique gimmick to not overshadow other "AF" avatars.
Remember Meteor? It wasn't going to become available to players years ago and here we are, waiting for it.

Ah, we were talking about two different things then. I thought you meant "We would be getting three more BPs and that's it." You are correct.

As for Bahamut... I don't know. I'd rather have an avatar that I can keep around. Maybe that is asking for too much, but I feel like after the years of waiting, Alexander and Odin were a letdown. They are powerful, but... you don't see them all that often. I want a new toy, not just some polish on my old ones.

[Alkar]

Ah, we were talking about two different things then. I thought you meant "We would be getting three more BPs and that's it." You are correct.

As for Bahamut... I don't know. I'd rather have an avatar that I can keep around. Maybe that is asking for too much, but I feel like after the years of waiting, Alexander and Odin were a letdown. They are powerful, but... you don't see them all that often. I want a new toy, not just some polish on my old ones.

I agree. I like Odin and Alex for what they are but I want something that I can keep around. Sadly I don't see that happening ever again but we never know.

[Cymmina]

SE posted the ability list for this update: http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...91/detail.html

SCH wins, and I no longer have to hear the "but /SCH doesn't give stoneskin" excuse for BLM.

[Vincento]

Impetus (MNK Lv.88 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Enhances attack and critical hit rate with each successive melee attack you land.

lol, and poor drk. Strange there isn't a plethora of new sam JA's either.

[Shalafi]

PUP got nothing

[kenshyn]

PUP got nothing

Pup will get new spells at least and will get more utility from subs not the most awesome but not nothing nuking with the puppet will be awesome.

[Delirium]

Ah, we were talking about two different things then. I thought you meant "We would be getting three more BPs and that's it." You are correct.

As for Bahamut... I don't know. I'd rather have an avatar that I can keep around. Maybe that is asking for too much, but I feel like after the years of waiting, Alexander and Odin were a letdown. They are powerful, but... you don't see them all that often. I want a new toy, not just some polish on my old ones.

I like the way Odin and Alexander are used tbh. It is more in line with the old FF games, where you would summon one and do insane damage, but at the cost of most of your mp. With abyssea xp pts, I use Odin a lot. With NMs and stuff, I find myself using merit bps. Adding in Bahamut, well, what could he do? He has always done Mega Flare, which would be fun. Do you make it seperate from other avatars entirely? Summonable every 15-20 minutes or something? I think there are a lot of possibilities that are outside the norm for not only Bahamut, but also other avatars like Phoenix.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Odin is a joke in Abyssea. Diamond Dust is almost guaranteed to do more total damage.

[Innuendo]

Compared to the french translation, the only discrepancy I noticed was Impetus [MNK88]
English:
Enhances attack and critical hit rate with each successive melee attack you land.
French:
When several physical attacks are landed in succession, the accuracy and rate of critical hits are increased.

My german's not good enough to check which is right though.

[Spira]

if you're using Odin or Diamond Dust on NMs in Abyssea, you're doing it wrong tho...

[lolwut]

if you're using Odin or Diamond Dust on NMs in Abyssea, you're doing it wrong tho...

Pretty sure they specifically mentioned xp.

[Alkar]

Pretty sure they specifically mentioned xp.

I didn't see any mention of exp.

[Spira]

Odin is a joke in Abyssea. Diamond Dust is almost guaranteed to do more total damage.

Odin can't deal dmg on exp mobs.

[Talrandir]

Odin can't deal dmg on exp mobs.

For the purposes of comparison with the effectiveness of Diamond Dust during exp, KO from Odin can be considered similar to dealing an amount of damage equivalent to the total remaining HP of the KO'd mobs. Depending on the size and timing of the pulls, the total-effective-damage-dealt number could be much higher for Diamond Dust than for Zantetsuken, given that Diamond Dust can hit many more targets, can be buffed with atma and could be used more than once per Astral Flow.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Are you people retarded? Why would I even dignify a suggestion of Astral Flow being used against an NM?

If you're trying to knock out hordes of EXP mobs with a SMN, Diamond Dust is going to be drastically more effective than Zantetsuken.

[Pandorablue]

Compared to the french translation, the only discrepancy I noticed was Impetus [MNK88]
English:
Enhances attack and critical hit rate with each successive melee attack you land.
French:
When several physical attacks are landed in succession, the accuracy and rate of critical hits are increased.

My german's not good enough to check which is right though.

I dunno German either, but I'm gonna guess that's a typo on the French because the Japanese one says:

・インピタス (モンクLv88 使用間隔:5分 効果時間:3分)
近接攻撃が連続してヒットすると、

[lolwut]

I didn't see any mention of exp.

You should learn to read then.

With abyssea xp pts, I use Odin a lot.

Odin is a joke in Abyssea. Diamond Dust is almost guaranteed to do more total damage.

[nyaraa]

SE posted the ability list for this update: http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...91/detail.html

SCH wins, and I no longer have to hear the "but /SCH doesn't give stoneskin" excuse for BLM.

Ya but wouldn't /rdm be better mp wise? with refresh and convert, instead of a shitty 2mp per tick equivalent sublimation? and only 2 stratagems. Oh and gravity with /rdm is usually a big deal too.

[Draylo]

I can see SE adding bahamut as a 2hr only.