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  1. #61
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    About Summoner...

    Fleet Wind : Quickening effect (+25% mov speed)
    Inferno Howl : AoE super-Enfire, around 30~40 dmg (based on the Smn skill!!)
    Diamond Storm : lol

    Mana Cede : 100 MP for 100 TP

    Ah and Auto-Refresh II. (no gear, no signet but 2 MP/tick)

  2. #62
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    Mana Cede, only used it once, seems to drain 100 MP and give the avatar 100 TP

  3. #63
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    Base duration of fleet wind and inferno howl?

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    Was Mana Cede 100 MP over time or was it a direct 100 MP->TP?

  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivel View Post
    Base duration of fleet wind and inferno howl?
    Fleeting is 2 minutes from the update notes.

  6. #66
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    played around with TH quite a bit, highest I've gotten it to level up it 2 higher then my current trait+gear, ex: TH3 + TK + hands, highest I've gotten it to is 7.

    Free SA and TA (no WS stacked on top) seem to have a fairly high rate of "leveling up" the current TH levels on a mob, eyeballing I'd say 35%. Random hits seems to have a low rate of "leveling up" TH as well.

  7. #67
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    mana cede is instant 100 MP -> 100 TP

    Fleeting wind was lasting 3min 30sec for me, very nice

  8. #68
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    Ninjutsu wheel
    /war, atma of beyond and MM, ascetics tonic, HQ staff, ulli neck, osode, MAB/MAcc set earrings...

    Innin+Futae - Hyoton: Ni - 1251

    :San (1 merit) - 708
    :Ichi - 313

    ichi and san front front of mob, so no Innin bonus

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    ninjutsu skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    ninjutsu skills?
    yup. damage and potential is looking very promising. need to build a proper nuking set and go /rdm for full potential

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    i mean, what was your ninjutsu skill when you did the test ^^!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    i mean, what was your ninjutsu skill when you did the test ^^!
    oh, somewhere around 290. never put merits into it, and only been getting here and there, never made it a focus

  13. #73
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    HAH HAH! Epic win! NIN nuking is finally viable? :D

    I wonder though, since MP isn't an issue would the 50 INT from Minikin still be worth it? I'm leaning more towards either Baying Moon or Beyond + Ultimate


    EDIT: Even Atma of the Kirin seems decent, at least if you're solo. AGI & INT Major Magic Acc Superior...

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    What mob were you nuking?

    Here are my results

    I tried at 86 Ninja @ 323 Ninjutsu on an EP Stream Amoeban with Atma of Baying Moon for +30 MAB and Atma of heaven for magic accuracy, don't have MM.

    San spells 1 merit each: Huton 329, Futae Hyoton 493, Katon 329, Raiton 329, Doton 163. Then i popped an ascetic tonic and saw the damage increase to 384 for San. My Ni spells did 342.

    Looks like MM makes a HUGE difference if your result is consistent on various mobs.

    My nuke set isn't that great since its been a laughing joke so far, don't have HQ ele staffs so had Yagentoshiro for enhance ninj dmg off hand, Koga hatsuburi for +ninja dmg, boroka earring for int+1, moldavite MAB5, Spiral ring Int 5, diamond ring Int 4, koga sarashi for M.Acc2, Yashka Yakama Int 2, and Koga kyahan Ninjutsu skill+10.

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    yea, MM prolly not best, but it was the only other Nuking type atma that had high stats so i took it. if you know you are nuking a specific element, i think the atma for increase those specifically dmg wise would be best. next few days, gonna cap Hyoton and Raiton :San, as well as cap their respective cat. 1 merits.

    also, tested how much ninjutsu skill increased damage. small sample, but tossed on Koga Kyahan+1 (skill+12), all other slots empty. eyeballed seemingly a 100% ratio, naked Ni spells doing 197, with boots on it jumped to 208-213. will run a larger parse tomorrow with my current setup, then again in a few days once i get some skillups and merits dumped


    edit:: small sample (~30 spells) run on gobs outside of lower jeuno

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTSimmo View Post
    What mob were you nuking?

    Here are my results

    I tried at 86 Ninja @ 323 Ninjutsu on an EP Stream Amoeban with Atma of Baying Moon for +30 MAB and Atma of heaven for magic accuracy, don't have MM.

    San spells 1 merit each: Huton 329, Futae Hyoton 493, Katon 329, Raiton 329, Doton 163. Then i popped an ascetic tonic and saw the damage increase to 384 for San. My Ni spells did 342.

    Looks like MM makes a HUGE difference if your result is consistent on various mobs.

    My nuke set isn't that great since its been a laughing joke so far, don't have HQ ele staffs so had Yagentoshiro for enhance ninj dmg off hand, Koga hatsuburi for +ninja dmg, boroka earring for int+1, moldavite MAB5, Spiral ring Int 5, diamond ring Int 4, koga sarashi for M.Acc2, Yashka Yakama Int 2, and Koga kyahan Ninjutsu skill+10.
    those numbers were from an xp morbol in Konstat_A.

    also played with the marid NM in vunkurl, till my PC locked up. lost the exact numbers, but most San and Ni were in the 400s, and i think the once Ichi I casted was 220

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    I also tried on a DC Devegetator and got 399 consistent San nukes, one 438 Suiton, and a futae Hyoton San of 598. Ni's were doing 366. All with Ascetic. Better than before but no where near your numbers, Guess i need second good INT or MAB atma and try with HQ staffs.

  18. #78
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    yea, HQ staves help a lot. the katana is a flat 5% increase, whereas staves are a 15% increase. its whats surprising me at the moment is that the san spells, with only 1 merit, are doing equal, if not slightly less damage than the Ni wheel

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    I solo'ed some NM at scars before update as nin/rdm and in party i tried a lot from /rdm also elemental wheel. atma MM + ambition, make it a great boost to the wheels.
    I was doing over [200 :Ni] [350 :San] [500 with Futae], all under Yonin.

    I wasn't getting trouble soloing, refresh MM + ambitious, i never had to refresh me, neither convert. i was with MaB II, MdB I, Fast Cast II + ambitious, my :Ni was almost instant cast.

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    I'm wondering how TH will react if you hit the mob once with the gloves (and knife) on, and then swap them out. Anyone try this yet? Basically, does it "upgrade" to 4 or 5 on proc?

    And how does it work with multiple thieves?

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