New Job Traits & Abilities (12/7/10)

[Yoroitsune]

Putting this out there, thf is currently 89.

Minimum TH applied without atma (TK, AA, RP+2) is 6 for me.

I have seen it stack up to 8 but haven't gotten higher due to nms dying.

If this follows the current set up, the base I should see with TH atma and TH III at 90 should start at 8 and go higher from there.

If no one has tested this by tomorrow I'll gladly come back with the results.

[Tricen]

I wouldn't be surprised if that is how TH worked from the get-go, it just never had a chatlog notification and was just server side or whatever.

[Bling]

Just messed around with ninjutsu nuking. 86 nin/41rdm with 340 skill, full hyoton: san, full hyoton+ damage, and some basic INT gear + HQ staves that I threw together quick.

In abys plains vs. EP plateau hare:

With Minikin + Kirin atmas total INT was 224ish; ni spells were 630 and 753 with tonic. Innin/Futae and hyoton: san did 1649 and 2035 (ice day proc) with tonic.

With Minikin + Baying atmas total INT was 185ish; ni spells were 702 and 813 with tonic. Innin/Futae and hyoton: san did 1794 and 2031 with tonic.

Not 100% exact on the int numbers because of the INT on aquilo's staff and I also don't know if the tonic gave int; i've never looked to see. The ni spell damage is from ones other than hyoton, I kept getting day procs and I have damage + merits so was hard to compare atmas. I was kinda shocked to see such high numbers, not sure how useful it will be but was kinda fun to play with.

[zard1977]

On the Th messages, our th4 thief took the atma, and the first increase message was always to 6, implying that the treasure hunter started at 5. Therefore, the atma must stack, to lay that argument to rest.

Is he level 90 at that time? If he is, then TH3+TK+AA = 5. First increase message would be 6, meaning atma does not stack.

[Francisco]

Regarding Impetus...

I went on a long streak of hits today without missing while Impetus was up... here's the tail end of it.

Hit, Hit, Crit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Crit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Crit, Crit, Hit, Crit, Hit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Hit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Crit, Hit, Crit, Hit, Hit, Crit, Hit, Miss, Crit, Hit, Hit, Crit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Crit, Impetus wears off

Time = 8:50:35 - 8:52:32

Due to chat log being lost, I can't tell you if I missed during the first minute or so of Impetus. Small sample size, but of my last 20 swings before missing, 15 were crits... 75% crit rate.

Job was 90 MNK/NIN, DEX = 102, was fighting a Damask Crab in Walk of Echos. I was wearing no +crit hit rate gear.

[Karbuncle]

It was already suggested so i don't know if its worth asking...

Could Bounty Shot activate after a Treasure hunter Proc, raising it by 1 perhaps? I'm sorry if thats already been tested i did see one person say "I shot the arrow and no message in log" but figured it was worth an asking :\

[AzazaelFenrir]

Is he level 90 at that time? If he is, then TH3+TK+AA = 5. First increase message would be 6, meaning atma does not stack.

Last night with my TH mule I had AA + TK + TH2 and was getting the 5 message. I am going to guess that every mob has a level of TH, and TH1 makes TH2 on mob, and TH2 makes TH3 on mob, etc. With Atma and all gear at 90 the first message should be 8.

[Khajit]

I did a quick look and knowing my luck i missed the answer but do you HAVE to have the armlets/etc on at the start?
EG.
Melee as normal.
Near the end plop on armlets for more TH the next proc.
???
Profit.

[Alkimi]

Regarding Elemental Celerity: Nukes are firing off at ~45% casting time as BLM90/RDM45 with no other fast cast gear or -casting time gear. Went off at around 50% as /SCH with Dark Arts up so it does indeed stack with Fast Cast.

BLM mobs get the job trait aswell.

[Hanyoko]

From the little bit of testing I did last night the TH thing felt like this

Gear and traits set the "base" TH effect on the mob via a standard 'tag'
A TH upgrade is just a +1 to that value

Would need to setup the following tests:
TH2 thief does action on mob and attacks till gets message. Should be level 3. TH5+ thief tags mob and TH2 thief attacks till another message. Value = ?
TH5+ thief tags mobs then dequips TH gear and attacks till message. Should get upgrade to initial value +1

Mostly want to see if can just tag it then switch to real gear; and what happens if the high TH tag occurs later in a fight

[Byrthnoth]

This has probably already been reported, but my B+ Dagger skill on Dancer is getting 6 skill levels/job level instead of the 5 I expected. Capped at 341 (without merits).

Working on Evasion now. I expect it to cap at the same level. (It did, 341 cap.)

Hard for me to tell for sure without knowing how the new AGI thing works, but I think that Dancer did not get Subtle Blow 4 on the road to 90.

Curing Waltz V appears to be approximately (CHR+VIT)*1.25 + 600. 80 TP, 23 second recast as expected.
Striking Flourish consumes 2 Finishing and forces one Double Attack on the main hand. 2 Minute recast (no joke).

I honestly feel like I'm missing something with Striking Flourish. It's just so atrociously bad. I tried stacking it with Pyrrhic Kleos. It was consumed, but it wasn't like the WS did omg amazing damage. It was just a normal Double Attack.

[Casey_]

my friend who's made it his mission to nuke on ninja in abyssea over the past 2 months or so just linked me this image

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3366/hyoton.png

I know he has atma beyond/minikin and I couldn't tell you his exact gear, but this was probably with futae.

[Latheille]

I haven't had a chance to test Bounty Shot with a THF yet, but except for one time I've used Bounty Shot on a mob last night, the mob dropped nothing. The one mob dropped a geode. Maybe my Bounty Shot is broken :s

It's an automatic ability and does not show up on the log so I'm wondering if I've used it incorrectly so far. I didn't pair it up with any other job ability and I'm leaning more and more towards this might need a THF team up to have it show up at all.

[Malacite]

So DNC gets a 2 minute Warrior's Charge for just 1 Step? (with Presto) Yeah OK that's real fair to WAR SE, lol. Pretty sweet though.

And isn't Pyrrhic Kleos a magical attack? In which case DA wouldn't do shit.

[Tortalius]

pyrr is not magical. 4 hits. and gives eva down.

[Takiwaki]

I was told that the waltz V was on a separate timer, I havent read it anywhere, wondering if someone can confirm.

[Byrthnoth]

I was told that the waltz V was on a separate timer, I havent read it anywhere, wondering if someone can confirm.

99% sure this isn't true, although I wish it was. I'll go test now.

Yeah, it's not true. Used Waltz 5 and couldn't use any other Waltzes for 23 seconds, as predicted.

[Dammerung]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8303/82868979.png

Can close chain, saw someone post they thought it didn't.

[Miroku_Asura]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8303/82868979.png

Can close chain, saw someone post they thought it didn't.

That's kind of hot >_> Don't remember if it was mentioned before, but could you try using multiple scholars to skillchain off of each other? So do something like... Fire IV -> Thunder IV (Fusion) -> Aero V (Detonation)

[firefeng]

Guys, this is vitally important, and I don't know how it has slipped your esteemed minds to test out an effect as fantastically potent and game-changing as this.

How much TP does Tactical Parry grant?!