Abyssea - Altepa

[Uubu]

The fact that you speak of Aegis as if it has any significant role in whether or not you can cap your MDT, makes your entire post invalid.

Who was talking about capping MDT? Have you even fought Rani yet, if you did you know you cant shell cause it just gets absorbed instantly. I sold/muled all my MDT gear years ago and never had a use for em (cause of ele resist builds).

[Erlayn]

Can anyone let me know if the Manticore NM popped with the sand-cracked took is soloable? MOre than likely I'll be using Nin/Dnc for the fight. Or should I bring a dedicated healer with me? I'll me using SA/RR or RR/Def+ atmas. Any information would be great.

~Erl

[Hwang]

I would say you should be safe as NIN/DNC, can't remember anything really bad about the fight when I done it.

[Gokku]

Can anyone let me know if the Manticore NM popped with the sand-cracked took is soloable? MOre than likely I'll be using Nin/Dnc for the fight. Or should I bring a dedicated healer with me? I'll me using SA/RR or RR/Def+ atmas. Any information would be great.

~Erl

well some ls members were doing it earlier this week it seems to go in the following patter t4 aga or ja spell >> tp move , potentially 1shotting you if that nin spell doesnt keep you alive , id bring a whm with shell V merits and bar spells and just make it a easy fight

To all the people talking about Rani ... wth... today tanked it on monk with 0 MDT gear , 3.3k hp we had to deagro it around 39% when the below 50% god mode shit turned on but other then that the only rough times were 2 instances when it charmga'd + meteor'd. 1 Blu spamming Blank Gaze , 1 Cor giving me magnus roll when they could, all other DD's were on Med + WS duty and only came in after it TP'd. took about an hour 10mins or so to kill with about 20 mins of that spent kiting it while everyone zoned out and in and rebuffed and we let it regen 1 tick to clear rage. didnt pay much notice to what our blms were doing the only time i know they were nukeing for sure was after sphere to break stoneskin.

[Massimo]

Who was talking about capping MDT? Have you even fought Rani yet, if you did you know you cant shell cause it just gets absorbed instantly. I sold/muled all my MDT gear years ago and never had a use for em (cause of ele resist builds).

lol. You DO know you can cast shell again when it gets absorbed, right?

[AzazaelFenrir]

lol. You DO know you can cast shell again when it gets absorbed, right?

nowai shell has a 30 min recast. . .

[rog]

thundaga4's were not survivable without aegis's

Who was talking about capping MDT? Have you even fought Rani yet, if you did you know you cant shell cause it just gets absorbed instantly. I sold/muled all my MDT gear years ago and never had a use for em (cause of ele resist builds).

ahahahhahahhahahahahhaha. I don't know about you, but my wars had shell on 90% of the time when we fought it.

[Gokku]

i think uubu's ls is all tarus with AO atmas on while tanking on drk in full onxy eq!

[Sumiko]

lol. You DO know you can cast shell again when it gets absorbed, right?

You do know that each hit it does is added effect absorb? XD

[Dooom]

Does it absorb all buffs or just one per swing?

[FailureMidgard]

You do know that each hit it does is added effect absorb? XD

This conversation is dumb. We all know it can dispel buffs a decent bit, almost every TP move and spell wipes shadows, etc etc. You can still keep shell up a majority of the time (though admittedly not full time) but here's the kicker -
Most good DDs take -LESS- damage from magic than Aegis paladins ESPECIALLY when shell is dispelled (well, this part is less true now). Know why? We had a MDT set aiming for ~28% MDT. Your precious Aegis is -25% MDT. Granted, the Aegis still has a little more MDB if they got all the gear (most don't seem to), but my set still had an extra 7 MDB. In any case, it's not different enough for Aegis to be worth anything. Tell your DDs to stop sucking and get an MDT set (nin being the only job that really struggles with a good MDT build), it's far cheaper than Aegis anyway.
Anyway, this discussion is dumb, as I said. Yea, you can have shell dispelled at a bad time and it will make the -aga hurt more. But Aegis doesn't change that, at all, unless you can show me a paladin that has a "I don't have shell" MDT set...'cause personally, I've never seen an Aegis paladin that has that.

Does it absorb all buffs or just one per swing?

One per swing. But wipes shadows a lot and stuff.

[rog]

You do know that each hit it does is added effect absorb? XD

You do know that you could just cast shell every time it casts a nuke, and you'll always have it up, right?

[Sumiko]

This conversation is dumb. We all know it can dispel buffs a decent bit, almost every TP move and spell wipes shadows, etc etc. You can still keep shell up a majority of the time (though admittedly not full time) but here's the kicker -
Most good DDs take -LESS- damage from magic than Aegis paladins ESPECIALLY when shell is dispelled (well, this part is less true now). Know why? We had a MDT set aiming for ~28% MDT. Your precious Aegis is -25% MDT. Granted, the Aegis still has a little more MDB if they got all the gear (most don't seem to), but my set still had an extra 7 MDB. In any case, it's not different enough for Aegis to be worth anything. Tell your DDs to stop sucking and get an MDT set (nin being the only job that really struggles with a good MDT build), it's far cheaper than Aegis anyway.
Anyway, this discussion is dumb, as I said. Yea, you can have shell dispelled at a bad time and it will make the -aga hurt more. But Aegis doesn't change that, at all, unless you can show me a paladin that has a "I don't have shell" MDT set...'cause personally, I've never seen an Aegis paladin that has that.



One per swing. But wipes shadows a lot and stuff.

I agree the conversation is dumb, sorry to have added onto it. Of course you can just cast again, it's not like people didn't think about that, it's just an absorb maniac with insane fastcast even with debuffs. (Bring dispellers) If you have to think about casting stun you might be too late, if that's any indication of how fast it casts. (And for those that want to rely on stunners for whatever reason, note you need good skill to land it).

The aegis thing was just a suggestion, that's all, if you have it, it doesn't hurt to use it.

And yes, we did have a NIN XD

We'll try using MDB gear next time and bring DD that can wear the gear, thanks

[rog]

But Aegis doesn't change that, at all, unless you can show me a paladin that has a "I don't have shell" MDT set...'cause personally, I've never seen an Aegis paladin that has that.

I'm sure plenty of people with aegis have mdt sets, if only for other jobs, that they could use when shell is off.

[Xera]

Problem is from thundaga4 (our fight started on Iceday.. ended on lights so 4.5~4.8k thundaga4's were not survivable without aegis's).

Does it even do that much? I got solo hit by one while weakened so I didn't bother swapping to MDT and even wearing Owleyes/Jelly Ring it didn't do that much...

[20:54:09]The Rani casts Thundaga IV.
[20:54:09]Starstrukk takes 3719 points of damage.

Really fun fight either way, but I'm think I'm going to just Brew it next time since its so much effort when you can't reset it because of other shells trying to steal it on charm...

[FailureMidgard]

I'm sure plenty of people with aegis have mdt sets, if only for other jobs, that they could use when shell is off.

Maybe. And said Aegis players that don't could easily go buy NQ coral and it'd at least make healing them easier when mages can't recast shell for them. But my point is I'd strongly bet anyone who brought an Aegis paladin would not have the Aegis paladin switching into MDT...it'd be MDB at best, and the vast majority don't even seem to use that, but this would put them no better off than a DD in MDT gear.

I mean, -if- I did have an aegis, I'd agree this is a pretty ideal fight to use it, but only after I went out and got a full MDT set (or lvl 90 aegis woo) and could cap MDT without shell. I know as someone who was 2boxing a mage, it got really tiring recasting shell and haste. I can only imagine how the bards felt.

[Sumiko]

Does it even do that much? I got solo hit by one while weakened so I didn't bother swapping to MDT and even wearing Owleyes/Jelly Ring it didn't do that much...

[20:54:09]The Rani casts Thundaga IV.
[20:54:09]Starstrukk takes 3719 points of damage.

Really fun fight either way, but I'm think I'm going to just Brew it next time since its so much effort when you can't reset it because of other shells trying to steal it on charm...

After it goes under 50% HP it seems like the spells it was casting = to the element of the day, always did double damage.

Fighting it on Lights/Darksday makes it easy

[RalphTheDwarf]

I attempted to get some pictures for Help Not Wanted this afternoon. Since there's very little information on what NM/zones/expansions are accepted I decided to look into the ENM/Avatar trick that worked so well for Konschtat. It wouldn't even let me use the camera on them, so at the very least either Vision zones are not usable for this quest, or they removed the ability to use ENM/Avatar for it.

[Kidnoftle]

If you can't stun it's casts you need new stunners. If you need to stun it's casts you need a new strat. If you can't reapply shell if it gets dispeld quit the game.

@failure: w/ the addition of twilight torque nin MDT-% sets on nin can at least keep up w/ all other jobs (assuming standard 27% sets)

[Erlayn]

well some ls members were doing it earlier this week it seems to go in the following patter t4 aga or ja spell >> tp move , potentially 1shotting you if that nin spell doesnt keep you alive , id bring a whm with shell V merits and bar spells and just make it a easy fight..

Well I'll try solo since it's easy to get back xp due to dominion now. See how that goes and add a Whm or another mage if necessary. Thanks for the responses.

~Erl