Firas' Islam Meccathread

[ZarakiKujata]

How did I know as soon as I saw that you were the last poster that it would be a MU link to the special.

[Qalbert]

[Yabby]

<3 on demand, going to watch this shit right now.

[Blarg]

thank Allah for qbert posting video links

[Melchiah]

You want a meaning to your existence? You have no more meaning than any other biological individual. You want a purpose for your existence? Your purpose, as homo sapiens, is to fill a predatory niche in the food chain. It is your purpose to consume, reproduce, and be consumed in your turn. You are fuel for the great machine, nothing more.

[Alleya]

says the atheist. all they propose are speculations and questions...why are we living? why cant god show himself? why is there evil if god good? round and round they go.


your questions can only puzzle the simple minds who really do not understand what they follow as a system of life, life has a purpose, everything has a purpose. [says the batshit theist]

I think we've distilled this argument down to its elemental state now.

Atheist stance: "It's okay to not understand, as long as you always strive to know more."

Theist stance: "You just don't GET it."

It seems to always come back to this. Example of reprehensible or contradictory or scientifically incorrect scripture? You're reading it wrong. Example of religious belief as a causal factor in wrong doing? They're not real christians/muslims/zoroastrians. Examples of varying sects that can't agree on basic theology, therefore how can scripture be immutable? The guys who don't believe like me are wrong. Unwillingness to accept a claim as an object of faith? You don't understand faith.

Meanwhile, science is curing cancer.

Just sayin'.

[kareface]

please stop talking out of your ass. I dont preach, I defend.
i've replied to your previous accusations with detail, but you keep asking for a proof of the proof.

The words in the Qu'Ran or some idiots website isn't proof. Sorry to break it to you.

Its extremely difficult to discuss such an issue when we have 50 people on one side, and one person on the other. everyone posting, some are serious, some are just trolling, and not to mention the behaviour of BG members where mostly its attention grabbing and the fear of being wrong.

I frequent religious websites where I have no one on my side. I've been in debates with 4 or 5 people by myself. It's only hard because you don't have facts. It doesn't matter how many idiots are on which side, facts make the argument.

IAnd for the love of Darwin, dont think that you have cracked the mystery to theology with your curiousness; its been raised long before me and you were born many times; the philosophy, darwinism, science, religion and all that jazz.

Yet you still haven't answered the questions I presented about evolution. No faith has.

the fairy tale for adults is when people believe that something came out of nothing.

Most fairy tales have the same origins as religion. Sorry to break it to you.

yeah, thats why scientists still cant illustrate a tree of life to support the theory of (macro)evolution.

Wow, just google phylogenetic tree, there's only 25.7 million results. Are you really that poorly educated that you don't know even that much?

Edit: I don't trust your copypasta skills so I'll link some just for you.

Spoiler: show

http://www.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/myosin/trees/gifs/tree.jpg
http://nimravid.files.wordpress.com/...-metazoans.jpg
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/educati...eckel_tree.gif
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/lo...HPV%20tree.jpg
http://nimravid.files.wordpress.com/...netic-tree.jpg
http://www.tellapallet.com/TreeOfLife.jpg
http://www.ls.kitasato-u.ac.jp/images/16Stree.gif
http://www.sgc.ox.ac.uk/research/scr...tsScreened.png

says the atheist. all they propose are speculations and questions...why are we living? why cant god show himself? why is there evil if god good? round and round they go.


your questions can only puzzle the simple minds who really do not understand what they follow as a system of life, life has a purpose, everything has a purpose. [says the batshit theist]

Problem is you still haven't managed to prove that system you rely on. You are relying on a false idea. If you are relying on your book for your faith, and the content of the book is revealed wisdom, if there are things within the book that conflict with the truth, the revealed wisdom is worthless. There quite clearly are, even if you want to plug your ears and pretend otherwise. You don't understand a damn thing about evolution. If you honestly followed the book as you said in the past, it suggests that learning is important. You clearly are afraid to learn the facts surrounding evolution. It's sad how little you understand, using outdated terminology and talking about problems that were solved 100 years ago. It would be like a man who's never owned a car or popped the hood debating with a room full of mechanics that "engines work on magic, not gas." You should really read about it before you flap your mouth off, it just makes you look dumb otherwise.

What is this science bullshit? YOU MUST PROVE EVERY MINUSCULE DETAIL.
What is this religion bullshit? TAKE IT ALL ON FAITH.
yep, no double standards here

Look, I can be an idiot too:

What is this Astronomy BS? YOU PROVE EVERY DETAIL
What is this Astrology BS? TAKE THE STAR POSITIONS ON FAITH

Problem is twins don't lead the same life.

What is this chemistry BS? YOU PROVE EVERY DETAIL
What is this alchemy BS? YOU MAKE GOLD FROM COTTON ON FAITH

See where I'm going with this? It's only a double standard if you try and simplify things to the point where any distinction is worthless. You could compare any 2 arguments regardless how valid or invalid they might be.

[Demosthenes11]

i think you were just whooshed by the bert

[Blarg]

i think you were just whooshed by the bert

yep

[kareface]

i think you were just whooshed by the bert

Sorry, I haven't been around the forums as much lately so it's hard to tell who's trolling and who's being serious. I fell into the trap of Poe's Law once again.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

I wish firas was trolling, it's hard to believe there are people that poorly educated out there.

[ZarakiKujata]

It's not even that Firas is poorly educated imo, he used to be a godless heathen like the rest of us, enjoying booze and women. I think he's just gullible as fuck

[Kuya]

born again muslim

[kareface]

Yes, but to claim there's no tree of life shows gross ignorance or denial.

[Altariel]

What is most amazing to me about the phylogenetic tree is that it can be derived independently from fields as diverse as molecular biology, comparative anatomy and embryology (to name a few!).

I am not really sure what a lack of a tree that illustrates "(macro)evolution" even means. This kind of taxonomy ignores the fact that every organism is the descendant of a previous generation. Parents of one species never suddenly produce a child that is a different one. Change happens gradually as a result of genetic isolation, genetic drift, mutation and in response to changes in the environment. Eventually with sufficient time and genetic isolation from them, the daughters and sons of a species lose their ability to interbreed with their distant cousins of common descent. With the benefit of 3.8 billion years of evolutionary history to examine, we can easily recognize and name divergent species but in the real world it is never so cut and dry. So to make the claim that a phylogenetic tree doesn't illustrate (macro)evolution is to miss the point of what evolution is altogether.

[foopy]

Http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...out-islam.html

Stop hating on firas based on preconceived notions. (those that have knee jerk reactions towards muslims)


Pity him, because he had the extreme misfortune to be raised and brainwashed in a very, very religious setting.

The vast majority of you atheist are only atheist because there was little to no opressive religious influence in your youth.

"oh I went to church, but my genius saw through all the bullshit dogma!"

Fuck you, get over yourself. You lucked out and you simply weren't forced fed the bullshit. Not to the extreme someone like firas was.

/comfort firas. Much like someone who was molested as a child, I understand how you can still exhibit ridiculous and illogical actions as an adult. I genuinely feel bad for you and admire your strength in light of the mental abuse you faced your entire life, starting since birth.

[Faris]

Http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...out-islam.html

Stop hating on firas based on preconceived notions. (those that have knee jerk reactions towards muslims)


Pity him, because he had the extreme misfortune to be raised and brainwashed in a very, very religious setting.

The vast majority of you atheist are only atheist because there was little to no opressive religious influence in your youth.

"oh I went to church, but my genius saw through all the bullshit dogma!"

Fuck you, get over yourself. You lucked out and you simply weren't forced fed the bullshit. Not to the extreme someone like firas was.

/comfort firas. Much like someone who was molested as a child, I understand how you can still exhibit ridiculous and illogical actions as an adult. I genuinely feel bad for you and admire your strength in light of the mental abuse you faced your entire life, starting since birth.

noone understands me like foopy;;

[Faris]

you hate it, but thanks for "breaking it to me" several times.

your little tree isnt accurate. its based on assumptions, its funny how you reject God, because of assumptions but you proudly embrace darwinism based on assumptions too.
remember im not going to spend too much time here on this subject, as we have in the past.

[Qalbert]

and yet you keep coming back and talking about it, how curious.

[kareface]

you hate it, but thanks for "breaking it to me" several times.

your little tree isnt accurate. its based on assumptions, its funny how you reject God, because of assumptions but you proudly embrace darwinism based on assumptions too.
remember im not going to spend too much time here on this subject, as we have in the past.

Yep, all those assumptions like ERVs, psudogenes, transposons, coding redundancies, atavisms, anatomical vestiges, comparative anatomy, embryology, more fossils than we know what to do with, the entire field of biology and countless other assumptions that just happen to have mountains of evidence and no other remotely accurate explanation for.

You keep denying evolution, yet you still can't answer 1 of my questions. You are so well read you must know why we share the same insertion point for 7 different ERV's with our primate cousins? There's over 150,000,000 different insertion points, give or take, and it seems that every time there's a split in the phylogenetic tree it just happens that new ERV's don't overlap between the genetically isolated species. It's not because our genes are similar; each insertion, even in the same animal can take any of the millions of points. The only way to recreate this is to have related decadents. This is one of countless example between millions of species.

Please, answer even 1 of the questions I posed to you over a year ago. You've had plenty of time and if my questions are so full of assumptions they should be easily destroyed. Or are you going to do what you always do when you don't have any answers, run away. You can't even defend yourself properly anymore, you just make vague references and avoid answering questions. Your right, we have a past. It usually involves you making huge claims that are unsupported by evidence and when I ask for proof you post some dudes religious blog or youtube videos. When I ask you questions you can't answer and the few times you do you lack facts. I'm still waiting to hear from the seismologist that thinks mountains prevent earthquakes, because all the places I emailed and posted responses to said you were once again flat out wrong. How about the guy who called evolution "just a theory." You are so uneducated in the subject you don't even understand what a theory is. You just proclaim on high that something you know nothing about is false because of some BS you read on some retards blog. You made the religion thread, why don't you man up and actually answer a question for once instead of running away. I'll even start small, the first of the 7 questions: Why do we share ERV's with our primate cousins and why do all the other examples in other species match up perfectly with the idea of the tree you pretend doesn't exist?

Any bets on Firas dodging the question again?

[Faris]

you get information from wikipedia, others refer to a comedian's article (haha!), how is that acceptable and a blog isnt? if i even did take anything from a blog...and i dont understand whats wrong with youtube videos.


i must ask first, what value is it to answer your question? would you consider embracing islam?

You made the religion thread, why don't you man up and actually answer a question for once instead of running away

i love your perception, is this what you call a religion thread, and by religion thread, what do you mean? im asking people to debate evolution and religion?
you're..so...delusional. you make a scene, then get accuse me of sparking this, lol. Therefore, i dont have to man up to anything.
what i clearly posted is a thread about cultural conflicts in different countries, did it get derailed to this shit again? indeed it did, by people like you.

my background is e-commerce, and marketing; do you know how much reading i have to do to clearly satisfy your idiotic demands on a bloody forum while im at work?


can you please link me to the threads you've participated in about this subject? i'd love to see how you bravely destroyed other theists arguements with your beautifully constructed assumptions, and your bulls eye perception on religion and people. (this im really looking forward to see, so please share it)

and i wont answer any of your questions, not going to play your little games; perhaps when i have time, maybe i can ask you some questions? how about that, you become the man you always expect me to be