Firas' Islam Meccathread

[kareface]

you get information from wikipedia, others refer to a comedian's article (haha!), how is that acceptable and a blog isnt? if i even did take anything from a blog...and i dont understand whats wrong with youtube videos.

Except in that post with the 7 questions I cited the sources of information and none of them were wiki. I actually still have a paper I wrote last quarter about the early debate over punctuated equilibrium. All of those cited sources were from papers and books in the UW library or jstor. You know, scientific publications. If you want to read it PM me your email and I'll send you a copy. You're the one that relies on subjective web sources, but it was a good attempt to accuse your opponent of your own faults.

i must ask first, what value is it to answer your question? would you consider embracing islam?

If you had enough evidence for anything, and I mean anything, I would believe it. It's unlikely one answer would be enough to convince me of something as grand as you believe, but it wouldn't hurt.

i love your perception, is this what you call a religion thread, and by religion thread, what do you mean? im asking people to debate evolution and religion?
you're..so...delusional. you make a scene, then get accuse me of sparking this, lol. Therefore, i dont have to man up to anything.

Dude, the thread is litearlly called "Firas' Islam Meccathread." All you're doing is dodging another question you can't answer. It's funny how the debate always ends when I bring up the same question. Stop pretending you have some grand reason for dodging the question, either say, "I don't know enough about evolution to answer," or man up. You claim evolution is false and it's all one big assumption. You must know a enough about evolution to know it's false, here's a perfect piece of evidence in favor of evolution that even someone as uneducated in the subject as you should be able to understand. Show the world where they went wrong. Prove to the whole of biology that you know better.

[kareface]

how is [wiki] acceptable and a blog isnt?

I thought I would add, the blogs you linked in your posts lacked any citation and were completely subjective. Anyone that has written even 1 paper on a scientific subject will tell you no teacher that's worth learning from takes citations from wiki, and I completely agree with that. However there is still a world of difference between the worst wiki article and some of the blogs you posted. They just stated things as if they were fact and made no effort to prove otherwise. I would gladly rely on the content of wiki over the crap you tried to pass off as proof. At least on wiki pages people can change the content when nut jobs try and claim facts like mountains preventing earthquakes.

[Kerberoz]

I believe chimpanzees (and probably other primates too) and dolphins pass the mirror test.

And corvids: http://www.plosbiology.org/article/i...l.pbio.0060202

[Faris]

can you please link me to the threads you've participated in about this subject? i'd love to see how you bravely destroyed other theists arguements with your beautifully constructed assumptions, and your bulls eye perception on religion and people. (this im really looking forward to see, so please share it)

hey now, stop dodging my request. Please dont be a Firas.

Dude, the thread is litearlly called "Firas' Islam Meccathread."

this comes back to your lack of visits to BG i suppose, because people know that this thread title was placed by some mod, im guessing Gaylbert.
Also, if you read the content, it clearly shows, what the debate is about; my my, you're very stubborn

either say, "I don't know enough about evolution to answer," or man up

no Kareface, i will not state the obvious. I dont think anyone in this forum, nor anyone who knows me in RL thinks that i know alot about evolution. Hell, i dont know alot about religion. but what is enough to you? is knowing literally everything is enough? is knowing the definition of evolution in the oxford dictionary enough? that goes for everyone here, how much do you know about religion and evolution, i could bet my life 90% of people wouldnt know enough about religion/evolution, and 90% is me being safe with my estimation.


i'll repeat again, incase it slipped away:

I frequent religious websites where I have no one on my side. I've been in debates with 4 or 5 people by myself. It's only hard because you don't have facts. It doesn't matter how many idiots are on which side, facts make the argument.

can you please link me to the threads you've participated in about this subject? to clarify; threads in theist forums i'd love to see how you bravely destroyed other theists arguements with your beautifully constructed assumptions, and your bulls eye perception on religion and people. (this im really looking forward to see, so please share it)

i think it would be very beneficial for all of us, to read about your glorious triumphs. and it would save you lots of time retyping what you typed in other forums, cmon kareface, man up.

[ZarakiKujata]

Man Firas, if only you could be gay and not anger your God, b/c I love you so much right now for using a classic misdirect to avoid answering the question(s) about biology kareface posed.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

If you feel yourself unlearned in fields of both evolutionary sciences or aqidah how are you going to take a stance, let alone defend it properly?

You clutch at the pillars for support, not embracing them in love. In that you are a pretty shitty Muslim.

[foopy]

Firas, here is a very compelling reason to abandon your faith:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...d=718018887001

(everyone should click, you're welcome)

[Fhqwghads]

I think it's safe to say that Firas is never going to be able to reply with any sort of objectivity. Anyone who takes things on the basis of faith alone would rather bury their head in the sand than face reality. But whatever, each to his own. He's a nice enough guy as long as the topic doesn't revolve around religion. Everyone has their Achilles's heel, and for Firas religion is it. If it gets him through the day more power to him.

[Yabby]

God i wish firas was trolling, because its like art what hes doing right now..... I really do think he needs to be in politics tho, he is avoiding these questions like a pro, hasn't made any real point in 5+ pages, and now is trying to have someone answer unrelated questions to try and distract the fact he hasn't answered or proved shit. Just beautiful troll work if he was trolling (But he's not).

[Acturus]

God i wish firas was trolling, because its like art what hes doing right now..... I really do think he needs to be in politics tho, he is avoiding these questions like a pro, hasn't made any real point in 5+ pages, and now is trying to have someone answer unrelated questions to try and distract the fact he hasn't answered or proved shit. Just beautiful troll work if he was trolling (But he's not).

Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

[bigrougabagel]

God i wish firas was trolling, because its like art what hes doing right now..... I really do think he needs to be in politics tho, he is avoiding these questions like a pro, hasn't made any real point in 5+ pages, and now is trying to have someone answer unrelated questions to try and distract the fact he hasn't answered or proved shit. Just beautiful troll work if he was trolling (But he's not).

Perhaps it is a new form of trolling, something us heathens couldn't possibly comprehend with 100% of our minds. But do not think for one second that it evolved from any previous trolling techniques. Those were created by god and sent here to do his work, much like this new form god has graced firas with.

[Yabby]

Perhaps it is a new form of trolling, something us heathens couldn't possibly comprehend with 100% of our minds. But do not think for one second that it evolved from any previous trolling techniques. Those were created by god and sent here to do his work, much like this new form god has graced firas with.

Thanks faggot, now i have milk on my laptop.

[bigrougabagel]

Thanks faggot, now i have milk on my laptop.

Praise be to the troll prophet.

[Galaika]

Difference between science and religion is that science constantly tries to disprove its theories. The longer they survive this process the stronger and closer to fact they become. Evolution is a theory but one that has survived attempts to disprove it for a very long time. However religion takes a theory, proclaims it fact and ignores anything that might disprove it.

Yes Firas, both sides theories are based on some assumptions, but if good, peer-reviewed evidence arose disproving evolution, science would change its mind and change the theory. Religion would stick its fingers in its ears and claim faith.

[Takedown3]

aetheism

[Melena]

After 12 pages and god knows how many days of this, I find this routine from George Carlin fairly appropriate for the discussion

Spoiler: show

When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.

In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!