Mass Effect 3

[Appie]

Indoctrination theory is the ending a large portion of fans want the ending to be. Which, to me, is funny because the only thing worse then the current ending is the indoctrination theory.

In short, the only thing worse then actual writers bad writing is the bad writing of non-writers.

Funny thing is, even with the IT, the story still has no ending. You stopped an indoctrination attempt. What then? Beating them mentally still leaves their physical form to defeat. So you got halfdead Shepard in the rubble with Reapers still there. Were they raped by the fleet? You don't know. So whatever you believe the ending is still utter shit. And of course the Joker scene, which is utter bullshit for any theory you want the ending to be.

[Ragnus]

Especially in the context of himself saying how he's never run out on Shepard before. When I saw him fleeing the battle, it made me feel a ton better about nuking EDI along with all the other Synths. Legion was the only one I really cared about and he was dead before I even did anything.

[vrumpt]

IT isn't nearly as loose as Squall is dead scenario. There is far too much purposefully placed clues and hints to refute. It goes way beyond looking at the same, thing in just a different light. The amount of evidence is far too overwhelming to ignore or think its just bad writing and the planets just happen to align to make IT work. I believe in coincidences sure, but this isn't one.

[Ragnus]

I personally like the Squall is dead theory.

[Greatguardian]

IT isn't nearly as loose as Squall is dead scenario. There is far too much purposefully placed clues and hints to refute. It goes way beyond looking at the same, thing in just a different light. The amount of evidence is far too overwhelming to ignore or think its just bad writing and the planets just happen to align to make IT work. I believe in coincidences sure, but this isn't one.

That's called confirmation bias.

[Tarage]

IT isn't nearly as loose as Squall is dead scenario. There is far too much purposefully placed clues and hints to refute. It goes way beyond looking at the same, thing in just a different light. The amount of evidence is far too overwhelming to ignore or think its just bad writing and the planets just happen to align to make IT work. I believe in coincidences sure, but this isn't one.

How does it feel to know you now think like a conspiracy theorist.

Saying there is evidence of an indoctrination ending is saying that Bioware had enough foresight to see this all happening. Don't give them credit they don't deserve.

[Appie]

Well to be fair, didn't they mention in that iPad app that they were playing with the idea of indoctrinating Shepard? It didn't make it into the game in the form (or at all with no IT) that they described in that app, but the fact they did consider it, maybe they deserve a little credit if it is true? XD

[vrumpt]

How does it feel to know you now think like a conspiracy theorist.

Saying there is evidence of an indoctrination ending is saying that Bioware had enough foresight to see this all happening. Don't give them credit they don't deserve.

Bioware has hinted themselves multiple times that the ending isn't all it seems. An example: In the final hours of ME3 app, they talk about a game mechanic where Shepard becomes fully indoctrinated, but dropped it because the controls didn't feel right. Why else would they have been making that mechanic in the first place if not to illustrate that Shepard was indoctrinated. In the end, its obvious they decided to portray it through what Shepard sees and perceives rather than having him just control differently. I would agree with the argument of horrible writing only if the rest of the game was that lackluster in comparison to the ending. Its not, not even close.

The "clarification patch" that Dr. Ray talked about and Casey Hudon touched on is going to be addition of clearer proof that Shepard was indoctrinated, because apparently waking up in London (with only the RED ending) isn't enough to clue people in that something isn't right. There isn't any reason to clarify that horseshit ending we got; Its very clear and very bad in the form its currently in.

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[BadKarma]

Jesus christ at those videos. Incredibly well made.

[Rhyis.]

Funny thing is, even with the IT, the story still has no ending. You stopped an indoctrination attempt. What then? Beating them mentally still leaves their physical form to defeat. So you got halfdead Shepard in the rubble with Reapers still there. Were they raped by the fleet? You don't know.

I was under the impression that the IT made it so the entirety of ME3 was just Shep in lala land, not just the last 10 minutes.

But yeah, I really don't get what people are getting out of this theory. Complaining about a non-closure ending, then tossing in one with even less closure is just kind of lulzy.


Edited it back for ya.

[Appie]

Some people want to believe with the IT that it is happening the whole game, I don't. Don't see much evidence to support that. At best, I'd consider the stuff that happened before the last 10minutes (kid on earth and the kid dreams mainly) as fast (failed) attempts to indoctrinate him.

woops an edited post to which I replied, now this doesn't make much sense XD

[Rulke]

Imo, everything is still up in the air. With "day 1" dlc an "ending" dlc isn't far fetched. I personally like the IT but am just going to sit and see ehat bioware brings in the coming months.

[Tarage]

Keep suckin Bioware's dick then. Don't let common sense get in your way.

[Appie]

Yeah, I really don't get what people are getting out of this theory. Complaining about a non-closure ending, then tossing in one with even less closure is just kind of lulzy.

Well either way it has no closure, that is clear, but the IT provides some logic for wtf you're doing as Shepard in the citadel and at the crucible and mainly what you are not doing as Shepard (renegade convo options where?) The stuff that happens afterwards is shit either way, IT or not, no closure.

This video pretty much sums up my problems I have with the ending as it is, think it was posted here before:

[Rhyis.]

Keep suckin Bioware's dick then. Don't let common sense get in your way.

"Sucking Bioware's dick" would entail calling this ending to be the greatest of all time. Nobody is doing that anywhere. There's a lot of problems with it... It's just IT is worse. Keep being salty.

There are better ways to fix the ending then by making it so you don't actually have an ending at all. Which is what IT is.

[Appie]

If it is the IT that is true, I really don't understand why there is such a lack of closure after the attempt. The IT would mean Bioware played it very well, possibly even indoctrinating players in the last 10 minutes. I know I failed the indoctrination if it is true since I went for Synthesis first. Why not add closure to show people they fucked up or not? So lame. Bioware would even release statistics (since you can upload feedback) about how a fuckload of players fell for the indoctrination and failing their final mission, lolz would be had, instead they only recieve rage from the players atm. This is the only reason pretty much why I doubt the IT. I doubt Bioware would be so stupid if that was their real plan all along. Adding closure after the attempt wouldn't downplay that gaming moment in any way, yet it isn't there.

And the ending as it is, is beyond stupid. And also not something I see Bioware doing. You got a game pretty much nailed for 90%, with marvelous missions such as Tuchanka, closing up ME1 and ME2 stories and then you drop the ball on the ending? I have a hard time believing that unless there was more to the ending than what we see, cue IT.

[Rhyis.]

I picked synth, so I was definitely trolled by Bioware if IT is real. Which I got no real problem with. I just don't like the idea of nothing actually being resolved, just more holes.

It's like a JJ Abrams ending.

[vrumpt]

I was under the impression that the IT made it so the entirety of ME3 was just Shep in lala land, not just the last 10 minutes.

But yeah, I really don't get what people are getting out of this theory. Complaining about a non-closure ending, then tossing in one with even less closure is just kind of lulzy.


Edited it back for ya.

Some people want to believe with the IT that it is happening the whole game, I don't. Don't see much evidence to support that. At best, I'd consider the stuff that happened before the last 10minutes (kid on earth and the kid dreams mainly) as fast (failed) attempts to indoctrinate him.

woops an edited post to which I replied, now this doesn't make much sense XD

The idea is that over the course of all 3 games, Shepard has come in contact with many Reapers and reaper tech/Artifacts; Object Rho (Arrival DLC), Dr. Eva's body, Human Reaper, Reaper IFF, Sovereign, Collector Ship/Base, Reaper on Tuchanka, Reaper on Rannoch, Reaper on Earth before you fire the missiles. Shepard's implants aren't Reaper tech or he would have turned instantly just like Grayson did, who was a character in the 3rd ME novel where we get to see from his POV what being controlled by a Reaper is like (Illusive Man implanted him with Reaper tech, he was very quickly hearing voices and was indoctrinated). So this was a gradual process of getting to Shepard.

The idea is that the Reapers/Harbinger was using the little boy as a means to break Shepards will and weaken his resolve, leaving him more vulnerable to their suggestions. Everything that happens in ME3 is real until the Harbinger beam hits Shepard and knocks him out. Until then the little boy is thought to be a hallucination only Shepard can see, and this is used against Shepard while he dreams. The final 10 minutes, with Harbinger presumably standing over him somewhere, is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard by making him side with Reapers and believe what they want him to believe. They want him to either think he can control the Reapers (Illusive Man's vision - indoctrinated), or that they blend with them to create a symbiotic relationship between man and machine (Saren's vision - indoctrinated). No matter which you choose, you are still given a vision of hope for the people Shepard cares about most, and if you chose to reject the Reapers visions then you destroy them, and the indoctrination attempt failed with Shepard waking up.

[Merovingian]

Dunno if someone mention it but theres a premium spectre pack in the MP store cost 99k credits

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Forgot to say it gives the normal spectre item with at least 2 rare and a higher chance of ultra rare

[Talint]

How does it feel to know you now think like a conspiracy theorist.

I don't think you know what a conspiracy theory is.