Mass Effect 3

[Matthias]

So? Shepard still got the galaxy on his side despite their differences and other shit going on. Hell, you spend 3 games cultivating sexual favours so that eventually everyone will help you fight the reapers. Yes, fight, and what do you do when you fight?

again, you "still" got a galaxy that was being decimated by the reapers yes. the whole point of the story was that shepard uniting the galaxy was a great achievement but still was not enough, hence they needed the crucible.

Either way, I wanted a fight, and what I got was a stage of bullshit already dealt with then a long ass ending that didn't have anything interesting in it. Hell, I would've been fine with the original ending if the actual last level was anything like ME2 (which is a real final level).

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ME1: What are Reapers?
ME2: Those are Reapers.
ME3: We have to fight the Reapers.

actually that would reflect the attitude of the council and the other races. shepard, whose perspective you are playing from, knew they were a threat since me1. granted towards the end of me1, but nonetheless since me1.

Before ME1 was just let petting. ME2 was actual foreplay and ME3 is the real deal. You didn't spend 3 games learning the reapers were unbeatable, you spent 2 games cockblocking them while gathering the entire galaxy as an ally. Unbeatable was just words, because as far as the games went Shepard was just fine. Even after dying.

right. 2 games blocking their moves, which they overcame again and again. third game was spent gathering the troops, which again, the reapers were decimating prior to the use of the crucible. hence, throughout the three games, shepard was continually learning that the reapers were unbeatable conventionally.

Also, who says Crucible isn't a factor?

/sigh seriously folks let's try to keep up k? this whole thing started because of your response to a fan fic synopsis i posted where shepard decided not to use the crucible and instead beat the reapers by conventional means. so in that fan fic, the author said the crucible isn't a factor.

And what was conventional for the reapers was slowly decimating the galaxy because all the races were too stupid or stubborn to work together to drive them off. No one stood a chance against the reapers alone, so having Shepard rally the entire galaxy to help him win would've been worth seeing. Hell, even as a distraction while Shepard does the impossible (YET AGAIN) to win would've been better...

...and even when the galaxy had gathered around earth, they were still losing. without the crucible, even the full might of the entire galaxy's fleet was not enough, as evidenced by the ending that occurs if you decide not to use the crucible and/or shoot the star child.

Oh... Oh I get it now. Brill, I got it.

You love the Reapers. You fucking adore them, hell, you're so bent out of shape by them you can't even think right (INDOCTRINATION, lol). And you're satisfied by the only tidbit of real information given by them. Gross.

um... ok.

Yes. That is EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Reaper lover.

thought so. "i hate this damn illogical stupid ending, so i'd much rather have this even more illogical stupid ending!"

logic hater.

[Anoat]

Kelly > *

Kelly was alright in a "well I just got resurrected from the dead, I need to bang SOMEBODY" kind of way, but she doesn't have the staying power of any of the other ladies. Plus, she got rid of the red hair. Big no-no.

Ashley may be a religious nut job, but she is a military girl and that means she is gonna be a freak in the bed.

Jack is probably pretty kinky too but she is one psychotic thought away from flailing you with her mind, so I'll pass.

Tali would be fun but she might get space AIDS from you so you only got one shot, better make it count.

Liara would be pretty cool in that she'd still be hot as fuck when you are pushing 90 years old. Disadvantage of being Shadow Broker though is she will probably have a listening device installed in your anus during intercourse.

Miranda has got DAT ASS and daddy issues which is usually a perfect combo. I could do with a little less "waaaah I'm perfect and nobody can relate to me", though.

Samara is too majestic and classy of a woman to do the truly freaky things. Pass.

Traynor has just the most adorable accent and has lesbian tendencies, downside is she does not want your penis. A work in progress...someday!

After weighing the options, I'm going with Ashley.

[Matthias]

I just thought Bioware wanted a fiction-novel ending, where you must make a sacrifice to save others. In ME3 the sacrifice was either chaotic good or benevolent good (and bad if you sucked) depending on your choice. I honestly wasn't expecting some epic space battle centered around Earth and coming out alive. I was actually expecting the Crucible to have some kind of magic power to defeat them the whole time at some great cost. The whole time it was Crucible this Crucible that. Gather the materials for the Crucible because without it the Reapers are unstoppable (see: History).

i remember actually the first time i played, the crucible in itself was a concept i wasn't overly fond of. i remember leading into me3, thinking "they have built up the reapers as such an unstoppable, devastating force that their plans on how they can be stopped has to be either very intricate or over-the-top deus ex machina simplistic." then as soon as we left earth and we got that transmission from hackett saying that t'soni discovered plans for a super weapon... i immediately kinda groaned and thought "ugh they're going to deus ex machina this aren't they?" cos i was expecting it to be some kind of doomsday bomb or something. but i warmed to the idea as the game went on as it developed into something that will make use of the citadel and mass relay system... that i could buy.

i recall vigil on ilos talking about how they are vulnerable while in hibernation in dark space. most of me2 i was expecting that to be part of the solution, but the ending of me2 killed that thought, when it showed all the reapers awakening and crossing into the galaxy.

i will say though i really enjoyed the return to earth. they did a great job of setting the mood of being thrown into the trenches, of finally being on the frontlines of the war instead of running around doing stuff behind the scenes and forcing us to cut a path through reaper-controlled earth. really fun mission. and i had no problem with there not being a last battle, and in fact i think putting the illusive man as the final obstacle before the end of the war was a nice touch. the conversation between shepard, anderson, and the illusive man was great, and the tense psychological battle that was waged there was a better prelude to the end than him turning into some big monster, which was their original plan.

[Matthias]

After weighing the options, I'm going with Ashley.

what about morinth man? c'mon now who doesn't want their nervous systems burnt out?

i went with ash as well. not quite for the same rationale but yeah.

[Eticket]

Kelly was alright in a "well I just got resurrected from the dead, I need to bang SOMEBODY" kind of way, but she doesn't have the staying power of any of the other ladies. Plus, she got rid of the red hair. Big no-no.

Ashley may be a religious nut job, but she is a military girl and that means she is gonna be a freak in the bed.

Jack is probably pretty kinky too but she is one psychotic thought away from flailing you with her mind, so I'll pass.

Tali would be fun but she might get space AIDS from you so you only got one shot, better make it count.

Liara would be pretty cool in that she'd still be hot as fuck when you are pushing 90 years old. Disadvantage of being Shadow Broker though is she will probably have a listening device installed in your anus during intercourse.

Miranda has got DAT ASS and daddy issues which is usually a perfect combo. I could do with a little less "waaaah I'm perfect and nobody can relate to me", though.

Samara is too majestic and classy of a woman to do the truly freaky things. Pass.

Traynor has just the most adorable accent and has lesbian tendencies, downside is she does not want your penis. A work in progress...someday!

After weighing the options, I'm going with Ashley.

I went with Liara in my first run through. I flirted with Ashley and they fought over me. So... I may or may not have appeased things with my space hoochie by nuking her competition.

[Elcura]

again, you "still" got a galaxy that was being decimated by the reapers yes. the whole point of the story was that shepard uniting the galaxy was a great achievement but still was not enough, hence they needed the crucible.

What is more?

1. No Galaxy
2. All Galaxy

The whole point of the story is the beat the reapers. Kill the unkillable, break the unbreakable, row row fight the powa. Why does it matter what state the galaxy was in? They needed the crucible because that was the plot they wanted to go with. That was the plot we got, and you see something else being considered and your panties twist the fuck up.

We get it, you love the shitty, flawed ending to a game about choice that has no choice. The only reason you find issue with anything else is because your Gods didn't write it for you.

actually that would reflect the attitude of the council and the other races. shepard, whose perspective you are playing from, knew they were a threat since me1. granted towards the end of me1, but nonetheless since me1.

So you spend the entire game wondering what are reapers. That's what I said.

right. 2 games blocking their moves, which they overcame again and again. third game was spent gathering the troops, which again, the reapers were decimating prior to the use of the crucible. hence, throughout the three games, shepard was continually learning that the reapers were unbeatable conventionally.

What do you mean overcome? ME1, they tried to be sneaky, got lit up. ME2, tried to be more direct, got lit up. ME3 they got off their asses and fucking space walked to the galaxy to fuck it up, yet Shepard still lit their asses up whenever they made contact.

/sigh seriously folks let's try to keep up k? this whole thing started because of your response to a fan fic synopsis i posted where shepard decided not to use the crucible and instead beat the reapers by conventional means. so in that fan fic, the author said the crucible isn't a factor.

Whatever, the point is there are a million ways to spin pep talk to victory, using conventional or unconventional means. You seem to think it goes pep talk > VICTORY without anything in-between. That's why you're an idiot. And a reaper lover.

...and even when the galaxy had gathered around earth, they were still losing. without the crucible, even the full might of the entire galaxy's fleet was not enough, as evidenced by the ending that occurs if you decide not to use the crucible and/or shoot the star child.

Again, you're only seeing events as they happened in game and using them to overwrite a story about another scenario where Shepard could beat the reapers. If the story had been written differently, the result would've been different, everything would've been different.

Obvious? Obvious.

um... ok.

thought so. "i hate this damn illogical stupid ending, so i'd much rather have this even more illogical stupid ending!"

logic hater.

Wait, you think killing shit that is trying to kill your entire galaxy is more illogical than talking to shit that is trying to kill your entire galaxy?

Logic hater.

[mightyg]

Last page or two makes me think of this
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Ending still sucks.

Favorite weapon? Geth Shotgun.

[Matthias]

What is more?

1. No Galaxy
2. All Galaxy

The whole point of the story is the beat the reapers. Kill the unkillable, break the unbreakable, row row fight the powa. Why does it matter what state the galaxy was in? They needed the crucible because that was the plot they wanted to go with. That was the plot we got, and you see something else being considered and your panties twist the fuck up.

that's right. just like the reapers being unbeatable conventionally was the plot that they wanted to go with. that's a part of the plot. so at this point you're not just simply stating your dislike of various plot points, you are now flat out saying things are not the way that they in fact were in the game.

So you spend the entire game wondering what are reapers. That's what I said.

err. yeah. that completely shatters my evaluation of all three games which we were discussing.

What do you mean overcome? ME1, they tried to be sneaky, got lit up. ME2, tried to be more direct, got lit up. ME3 they got off their asses and fucking space walked to the galaxy to fuck it up, yet Shepard still lit their asses up whenever they made contact.

ME1: one reaper took an entire fleet to kill.
ME2: overcame that loss by moving into the galaxy... and "more direct"? they were working through the collectors.
ME3: overcame the loss of the collectors by working directly and little by little took over every star system in the galaxy. then consolidated their forces around earth and was about to destroy everything until the crucible was fired.

so yeah they overcame everything except for the crucible. and they would have destroyed the gathered fleets as well, again as evidenced by the ending where you reject the crucible.

Whatever, the point is there are a million ways to spin pep talk to victory, using conventional or unconventional means. You seem to think it goes pep talk > VICTORY without anything in-between. That's why you're an idiot. And a reaper lover.

ahh yes "whatever". a simplistic way to dismiss evidence that is demonstrated.

and no i never said that pep talk > VICTORY without anything in-between. that's what the fan fic proposed, which i criticized. then you criticized my criticism of it, and now you're criticizing what i criticized. and then criticizing the person who criticized it by calling him an idiot. and a reaper lover. and then later on in your post, you are once again criticizing my original criticism of the fan fic, which you yourself had just criticized.

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Whatever

Again, you're only seeing events as they happened in game and using them to overwrite a story about another scenario where Shepard could beat the reapers.

oh seriously, how dare i work within the framework of the story that was presented to me? how dare i use the internal logic of a particular story to critique an alternate story that throws said logic out the window? what in the world am i thinking critiquing a fan fic on the basis of the canon of the source material? seriously how dare i????

i think i'll write a fan fic about final fantasy vii where shinra simply never existed, and start insisting that it fits perfectly into the ffvii canon.

If the story had been written differently, the result would've been different, everything would've been different.

Obvious? Obvious.

if the story had been written differently, the result would've been different, everything would've been different.
if the sky was green, then the atmosphere would look different, everything would've been different.
if humans were silicon-based rather than carbon-based, our source of nutrition would've been different, everything would've been different.
if the moon was made of blue cheese, the effect of its gravity would've been different, everything would've been different.

if. if. if. if. if.

but the moon is not made of blue cheese, and the theoretical gravity does not apply.
humans are not silicon-based, and therefore our nutrition stays the same.
the sky is not green, so the atmosphere looks the way it does.
and the story had not been written differently, therefore the fan fic, and your "we could have beaten them without the crucible" logic, does not work.

Obvious? Obvious.

We get it, you love the shitty, flawed ending to a game about choice that has no choice. The only reason you find issue with anything else is because your Gods didn't write it for you.

Wait, you think killing shit that is trying to kill your entire galaxy is more illogical than talking to shit that is trying to kill your entire galaxy?

Logic hater.

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[Elcura]

You really are special, aren't you?

ME1: one reaper took an entire fleet to kill.
ME2: overcame that loss by moving into the galaxy... and "more direct"? they were working through the collectors.
ME3: overcame the loss of the collectors by working directly and little by little took over every star system in the galaxy. then consolidated their forces around earth and was about to destroy everything until the crucible was fired.

ME1: After a surprise attack. From within. Still got lit up.
ME2: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
ME3: While trying to stop Shepard, and getting fucked up for it.

Ok. We agree that I'm right. Good.

err. yeah. that completely shatters my evaluation of all three games which we were discussing.

Your evaluations were wrong anyway. There was nothing to shatter.

iahh yes "whatever". a simplistic way to dismiss evidence that is demonstrated.

Haha, evidence. Sure.

oh seriously, how dare i work within the framework of the story that was presented to me? how dare i use the internal logic of a particular story to critique an alternate story that throws said logic out the window? what in the world am i thinking critiquing a fan fic on the basis of the canon of the source material? seriously how dare i????

This would be fine, if you weren't already horrendously wrong about the game, the point, themes or what the ME series is about. Basically everything.

You didn't use any internal logic than your own.

And you're wrong. I mean because otherwise we get you being stupid.

and no i never said that pep talk > VICTORY without anything in-between. that's what the fan fic proposed, which i criticized. then you criticized my criticism of it, and now you're criticizing what i criticized. and then criticizing the person who criticized it by calling him an idiot. and a reaper lover. and then later on in your post, you are once again criticizing my original criticism of the fan fic, which you yourself had just criticized.

Oh wow. No wonder you've gone full retard:

if the story had been written differently, the result would've been different, everything would've been different.
if the sky was green, then the atmosphere would look different, everything would've been different.
if humans were silicon-based rather than carbon-based, our source of nutrition would've been different, everything would've been different.
if the moon was made of blue cheese, the effect of its gravity would've been different, everything would've been different.

if. if. if. if. if.

but the moon is not made of blue cheese, and the theoretical gravity does not apply.
humans are not silicon-based, and therefore our nutrition stays the same.
the sky is not green, so the atmosphere looks the way it does.
and the story had not been written differently, therefore the fan fic, and your "we could have beaten them without the crucible" logic, does not work.

And there we have it folks. The point of no return.

This was fun. Let's do it again sometime.

[Kuya]

tyven lock this

[tyven]

Done

[BaneTheBrawler]

undone

[Moss]

so what did you guys think about the ending

[Matthias]

i would qualify that as the single funniest post i've read anywhere on this board so far. well played sir.

[Brill Weave]

so what did you guys think about the ending

[Brill Weave]

lol

You mother fucker.

[Matthias]

phew finally finished my adept playthrough. infiltrator is still my favorite class, but i ripped through me3 much easier as adept. lash is definitely one of the most useful abilities in the game. loved using it in citadel and the assault on the cerberus base while climbing the staircases, when i would grab the troops and just toss them into the pit, insta-kill. very fun job, shoulda tried it a long time ago.

that'll handle my mass effect fix for a while.

[Eticket]

Thanks to this thread, I started up the series again to play through it on PS3. I forgot how sketchy the autosave/checkpoint system was in 1. Was going to go recruit Liara, made it all the way through the Mako section only to get killed shortly after getting out on foot. Dropped me all the way back to the beginning again. Well, that scratched that itch for a while I think.

[Tyrath]

ME1 is on ps3?

[Eticket]

ME1 is on ps3?

On its own thru psn or with 2 & 3 on the trilogy discs.