Lights and menus and such.

[orson]

Definitely need a way to remove certain lights, imo. Better yet release abyssites you can buy and remove similar to VNM abyssites that block certain light/chests.

I kinda want to make an Alla/Petition joke but this is something everyone I'm sure agrees would be handy.

[isladar]

Tsuko isn't banned, dummkopfs.

[e] Also renamed thread since it can stay open if y'all want to discuss how to shot stuff, but if it's going to be retarded we'll just lock n' ban.

[Kirschy]

In particular I had a run where a friend capped my azure /w his BLM, then returned on thf. We farmed for a good 5+hrs and got something like 50 ebon lights. Yet every kill of his which yielded a blue chest was always a low tier. I can recount other times when newer people joined up in a xp/farming group and got tons ebon lights from red chest, but no azure and their kills consistently gave poor chests. It seems if Ebon lights did affect Azure the above situations wouldn't be so common for me.

As for abyssites->chest distribution, I don't have any good data, so it's nothing I can be 100% certain of. But I've done a ton of Abyssea with just my mules, which is fairly controlled in terms of lights, and I feel that abyssites don't affect the distribution. If anyone can provide some conclusive proof otherwise I'll be more than happy to eat my words, but this is the stance I've taken on it~

[OdinBlaize]

Ebon lights may affect the exp floor when fighting different mob types. On several runs with "capped" ebon (really 50+) where we were farming different NMs for seals, we switched mob families more than once and were getting max exp on the first kill each time.

Then again, this may have also been due to having 50+ golden lights racked up, so I'm not entirely sure.

Also recently, with 3x red and gold abyssites and 2x blue abyssites, I did one dominion ops page after zoning into Uleg and got a time extension, key item in a big gold chest, and 2x silvery light red chests. Seems like it's just a random chance at a higher tier chest.

[NynJa]

Well short of the fact I cant really provide numbers, since theres no parse showing what color chest dropped, I just spent about 4 hrs in abyssea finishing water staff trial on manticores. My mule who was doing 95% of the killshots has 3 fortune, 2 kismet, 1 prosperity, 3 destiny. I didnt really build any lights before fighting the manticores, I attempted to pearl the Baelgyr (which seems to have a shit load rate on pearl, or formless doesnt count as pearl), and just azured the mants (DUHHH).

Kill 1: Pearl on Manigordo from Nyn, no chest
Kill 2: No Light (formless kill from Nyn, who has 3 kismet+fortune)) on Byrgen, 1k xp blue chest
Kill 3: Azure on Baelfyr from Kehhiko, selectable temps blue chest
Kill 4: Azure on Dune Mant from Keh, blue chest temps
Kill 5: Azure on Dune Mant from Keh, cant remember not in log
Kill 6: ", 500 xp blue
From here on out its mostly all Azure on Manticores from Kehhiko, unless I aggroed one of the elementals. The first top tier chest that I find in my log was on like my 14th Azure kill, no NM's nor Elemental Azure kills. I'd also like to point out, that without landing ANY ruby kills nor Amber kills, and despite the fact Kehhiko has 3 destiny and 1 prosperity, I saw a shitload more red chests over gold chests (but one loaded 2/3's an amarok pop wooooo).

[Byrthnoth]

I've gotten a big gold box with a key item on my first kill in zone, 0 lights of any kind. Similarly, I've gotten a TE on my first kill.

I think the abyssites mostly add some positive variability to box quality, which is a net increase in quality if your lights are low. Overall a worthless type of Abyssite, because if I want "good boxes" of a certain color I'm just going to build that light.

[Anomander]

Going to have to agree with thorny here, we definitely get a lot more red chests that we should with capped azure/amber and no reds when chloris key item farming. It is especially frustrating when spamming keys and accidentally tagging a red chest nestled inside a blue chest that you couldn't see, when you thought you had the blue targeted. Once this happens a few times key item rate goes down a little more than we would like.

[Kirschy]

Going to have to agree with thorny here, we definitely get a lot more red chests that we should with capped azure/amber and no reds when chloris key item farming. It is especially frustrating when spamming keys and accidentally tagging a red chest nestled inside a blue chest that you couldn't see, when you thought you had the blue targeted. Once this happens a few times key item rate goes down a little more than we would like.

I don't think anyone is arguing that you don't get a lot of red chests. What we're arguing is that without any abyssite of prosperity you still seem to get a lot of red chests. Like Nynja just said his mule only had 1 red chest abyssite and he still saw a decent amount of them with 0 ruby kills. My mule in particular has ZERO Abyssite of Prosperity, but she still STILL gets a large % of red chests, even when there's no ruby lights involved. Like everyone else, I've had times when I get almost 50% red chests with low/no ruby, and times I've gotten 10% red chests with low/ruby. I'm more inclined to believe it varies by mob or some other factor than the abyssite.

[Darkmagi]

Yeah I highly doubt this abyssite is hurting us in any way. I always thought it just increased chest tiers.

[Airenn]

I'm more inclined to believe it varies by mob or some other factor than the abyssite.

Err this is a new theory? I've thought this for weeks.

Ex: Bunnies in Vunkerl give GREAT blue, especially TE, with low red/gold chests.

Ex2: Pugils in Grauberg seem to give more Red and Gold than blues.

Edit: I also think that type of kill increases chance of that type of chest dropping. Ex: Those bunnies? I had capped pearl/blue only while an EXP party was doing Murexs. I went to Bunnies solo and CS killed 3. I'd get about 1 time 1 Intense each round. I soloed about 200+ minutes this way until it finally seemed like the rate switched. I'd start getting mad cruor/EXP over time/intense. :/

[Kirschy]

Err this is a new theory? I've thought this for weeks.

Ex: Bunnies in Vunkerl give GREAT blue, especially TE, with low red/gold chests.

Ex2: Pugils in Grauberg seem to give more Red and Gold than blues.

Edit: I also think that type of kill increases chance of that type of chest dropping. Ex: Those bunnies? I had capped pearl/blue only while an EXP party was doing Murexs. I went to Bunnies solo and CS killed 3. I'd get about 1 time 1 Intense each round. I soloed about 200+ minutes this way until it finally seemed like the rate switched. I'd start getting mad cruor/EXP over time/intense. :/

When it comes down to it, random is random, and it'd be hard to prove if certain factors do control the chest distribution. But I think reports such as mine and nynja's which show that high red chest distribution can still occur with no/low ruby lights and low/no red chest abyssites lends strong weight to removing abyssites as a factor in chest distribution.

[Foldypaws]

In particular I had a run where a friend capped my azure /w his BLM, then returned on thf. We farmed for a good 5+hrs and got something like 50 ebon lights. Yet every kill of his which yielded a blue chest was always a low tier. I can recount other times when newer people joined up in a xp/farming group and got tons ebon lights from red chest, but no azure and their kills consistently gave poor chests. It seems if Ebon lights did affect Azure the above situations wouldn't be so common for me.

Hmm. What if ebon lights acted as a multiplier to the other light types. (i.e. 30 ebon lights = 2x accumlated potency or some such.) 2x0 is still 0, so if he had *no* azure it'd do nothing, but if you had full amber (like I did) it gives "60" worth.

[Kirschy]

Hmm. What if ebon lights acted as a multiplier to the other light types. (i.e. 30 ebon lights = 2x accumlated potency or some such.) 2x0 is still 0, so if he had *no* azure it'd do nothing, but if you had full amber (like I did) it gives "60" worth.

It's possible.

[Airenn]

When it comes down to it, random is random, and it'd be hard to prove if certain factors do control the chest distribution. But I think reports such as mine and nynja's which show that high red chest distribution can still occur with no/low ruby lights and low/no red chest abyssites lends strong weight to removing abyssites as a factor in chest distribution.

Definitely interesting. I would recommend those bunnies though-- Just to play around with it. Cap your pearl/azure on some VNMs/Ephs and Chainspell 3-4 Bunnies per CS and see where it takes you. I need to do it again for shits and giggles or if I need time in that zone.

[Kirschy]

Definitely interesting. I would recommend those bunnies though-- Just to play around with it. Cap your pearl/azure on some VNMs/Ephs and Chainspell 3-4 Bunnies per CS and see where it takes you. I need to do it again for shits and giggles or if I need time in that zone.

I did my Sumeru trial on the bunnies. They did appear to favor blue, but *shrug

[Malacite]

WE MUST KEEP TSUKO BANNED. FOR ON THE WORLD STAGE OF HISTORY HAS THERE NEVER BEEN A MENACE SO GREAT AS A WRATHFUL AND SMART GAY. WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS THREAT TO GO UNNOTICED AND UNCHECKED. WE MUST STOP THE FLAMING MENACE!

Edit: In my experience the red chest abyssite actually do increase % of drop rate of red chests. They obviously add something to your red count since if you have none of the red abyssites you can't proc red chests w/o red lights, unless my alt mule last night managed to spawn only blues/golds for 60minutes purely on luck.

See: Don't Ask Don't Tell Repealed.

[Holyman]

I still believe every abyssite of those add base fixed light value for when you zone in , like 5 lights per abyssite so 15 with 3 , beside you still can get tier 1 chest with "capped" lights so it mights add also some percentage of favoring high tiers chests when you zone in , think of it like Dominion or Bastion chests boost you carry with you .

To OP your suggestion is dumb , I personally like having red chests when I solo , make capping lights much faster , just like Nynja said suck less , kill faster , & don't go happy WS spam .

[Theraven]

beside you still can get tier 1 chest with "capped" lights so it mights add also some percentage of favoring high tiers chests when you zone in

If you have capped azure light you're not getting low quality blue chests, unless I misunderstood you..

[Valena]

If you have capped azure light you're not getting low quality blue chests, unless I misunderstood you..

This.

Holyman, you're wrong, Abyssite add a chance to higher tier chest, even with 0 light built. That's why you occasionnally see a higher tier just after entering.

On the contrary, once you've capped lights you don't lower your chest tier, and the Abyssites do nothing anymore.

[Julian]

Eh, I beg to differ:

[00:15:16]yThe monster was concealing a treasure chest!
[00:15:16]Juliano defeats the Plateau Glider.
[00:15:16]The Plateau Glider misses Juliano.
[00:15:20]The Plateau Glider hits Juliano for 103 points of damage.
[00:15:21]Juliano uses a forbidden key and opens the lock!
[00:15:23]Juliano gains 250 limit points.

This happened near the end of my run last night, about 3.5 hours, after a shitton of time extensions, and lots and lots of 1250 exp chests. Seeing as I'm the Monk, yes, I had capped azure/pearl pretty much.

Maybe it's just really rare? That's the first time I've personally seen it, that I can recall.