Author of Pedophile Guide arrested across state

[guartz]

Like lolita?

nothing like it

[Ashmada]

come now spoiler sport, for the sake of this thread lets carry on like the guy actually did write a guide to pedos

Is that actually likely?

I'm picturing (very) dark humour rather than an actual guide to rape children. I doubt child molesters would need such a guide, or even buy it unless they're following the "guide to make yourself look guilty as hell".

[archibaldcrane]

You are assuming this book has no value whatsoever to anyone other than those who would like to molest children.

Is that what you'd like us to assume Guartz?

[Kuya]

Well said Nephlite, your question would be at the heart of the issue I think. Others should take the time to at least gain some understanding of the subject if you want to speak intelligently about it.

As a matter of constitutional law and original understanding, the 1st amendment has meant principally, although not exclusively, immunity from previous restraint or censorship. Any system of prior restraint of expression bears a heavy presumption against its constitutional validity. (Bantam Books v. Sullivan)

Above all else, the 1st amendment means that government has no power to restrict expression because of its message, ideas, subject matter or content. (Police depart. Of Chicago v. Mosley). In a traditional public forum (a place that has traditionally been held for the free exchange of ideas) any content based regulation (view point and subject matter) must survive strict scrutiny.

Prohibition of Obscenity is a valid exercise of State power. Obscenity is a category of speech that is unprotected by the 1st Amendment (Roth v. United States) As a general matter, obscenity laws reflect the obvious desire of a community to set minimum standards of civil behavior.

Obscenity is material that (1) the average person would find taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest” (2) describes or depicts, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by state law” and (3) “as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” (Miller v. California)

The advocacy of illegal activity is another category of unprotected speech. With respect to illegal advocacy, the question in every case is whether the words used, are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that government has a right to prevent. (Schenck v. United States)

In order for advocacy to be punished, there must be an urging to do something, now or in the future, rather than merely to believe in something. (Yates v. United States). Only where advocacy is directed and intended towards inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action may it be punished. (Brandenburg v. Ohio)

Without access to the content of the publication, based on what little fact there is to go on, it’s not unlikely that this author would lose a claim of 1st amendment violation.

This is probably the best post in the thread. Most substantiated.

edit: in other words, he may or may not get in trouble; obscenity is a bit ambiguous (in terms of what society finds obscene) and it can also vary depending on the character of the current court.

[guartz]

No way man, I'm sure it has a priceless value of literary accomplishment.


*eyes roll*

I think you are just mad because I called the u.s constitution bad names.

[archibaldcrane]

No way man, I'm sure it has a priceless value of literary accomplishment.


*eyes roll*

I think you are just mad because I called the u.s constitution bad names.

I'm operating under the assumption that this book provides at least one of two things:

A) Hilariously executed troll material (aka 9000 penises all coming to rape your children)
B) A deep look into the mind of a completely fucked up pedo flailing about in his attempt to justify his actions

Either way I bet it's an interesting read.

[guartz]

Funny how when a man dances on the precipice of social taboo, our society reacts harshly. In fact, hilarious.

[aurik]

One of the precepts of the obscenity standard is that the community decides what qualifies as obscene. But, given that they probably ordered the book over the internet, he has a rather strong argument that the community for which the obscenity standard should be decided is the internet as a whole. And we all know what filth there can be found on the internet.

Looking forward to screencaps of 4chan being entered into evidence.

[Jb1210a]

Funny how when a man dances on the precipice of social taboo, our society reacts harshly. In fact, hilarious.

Amen.

[Plow]

I'm operating under the assumption that this book provides at least one of two things:

A) Hilariously executed troll material (aka 9000 penises all coming to rape your children)
B) A deep look into the mind of a completely fucked up pedo flailing about in his attempt to justify his actions

Either way I bet it's an interesting read.

What about the very distinct possibility that it's a well thought out, detailed, and effective guide for how to molest children and get away with it?

There's a point where free speech is no longer freedom of expression, when it clearly has the intent and likely effect of causing harm, i.e. fire in a theater.

[Plow]

Anarchist cookbook is clear because it's not a guide on how to use the shit harmfully and get away with it.

"How to grow your own pot: the book" is clear because it's restricted from banning "how to break the law," the limits only apply when we're talking about direct danger.

[Demosthenes11]

One of the precepts of the obscenity standard is that the community decides what qualifies as obscene. But, given that they probably ordered the book over the internet, he has a rather strong argument that the community for which the obscenity standard should be decided is the internet as a whole. And we all know what filth there can be found on the internet.

Looking forward to screencaps of 4chan being entered into evidence.

why does this sound plausible...

Exhibit D, your honor, is rule 34. As you can see, porn exists for judges on the internet.

[Builttolast]

http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/10/ama...-how-to-guide/

[Priran]

I love you too, Amazon.

[Priran]

Wait, no, that's a month old and they ended up pulling it. Nevermind, no love.

[Meian]

Wait, no, that's a month old and they ended up pulling it. Nevermind, no love.

Think he was referring to the snippet from the book. The pinups I don't really care about but I can see some eyebrow raising regarding latex gloves

[Riposte]

“as a whole, lacks serious... artistic... value.” (Miller v. California)

I think the real question is why we haven't torn down the art exhibitions of the last 50 years. (in California)

But seriously, this Prohibition of Obscenity is super ridiculous because there is no such thing as artistic value. By judging material with a nonexistent scale you can exclude anything or include everything(again, just look at "art"). Probably include everything since nothing has 0 scientific or literary value. And I am not even sure what political value means, but I am pretty sure it is impossible to have 0 of that as well.

EDIT: Next up, who is the average person? How do you find him/her? Through polls?

EDIT: I suppose this is related:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsceni...ses_in_the_USA

[Jaybar]

I think the real question is why we haven't torn down the art exhibitions of the last 50 years. (in California)

But seriously, this Prohibition of Obscenity is super ridiculous because there is no such thing as artistic value. By judging material with a nonexistent scale you can exclude anything or include everything(again, just look at "art"). Probably include everything since nothing has 0 scientific or literary value. And I am not even sure what political value means, but I am pretty sure it is impossible to have 0 of that as well.

LOL! This guy! Mr. Knows Everything There is to Know About What isn't Art. Man, what's it like having all that hot air up in your head? Haha, this guy....man.

[Senoska]

For those that think this should be illegal: Do we just ban this book or books like it? What do we ban and how do we regulate whats on that list? Do we ban this because public opinion is against it?

[Deadgye]

The second snippit from the amazon link makes me want to actually read the book. Is this book actually instructing how to get away with stuff, or is this book instructing on how to get away with being a pedophile? (ie: how to act out your urges without involving any real children.) If it's the latter, I'd rather this book be available rather than not- but I can't really decide anything unless I actually know what the book is really about.