What's Better?

**Talli** · 2011-01-01 10:43

with the set bonus from raider's +2 and the triplus dagger would Apoc/Alpha-Omega/RR be a worthy Atma set or RR/Apoc/GH better?

**Foldypaws** · 2011-01-01 14:07

25% haste 20 attack and 3 DA or 26% haste on DRG? (Atheling or Lancer's w/ 25% haste)

**Gokku** · 2011-01-01 14:19

Flame Gorget / Light Belt for Victory Smite or Anguinus Belt ?

**Cream Soda** · 2011-01-01 14:22

Originally Posted by Gokku

Flame Gorget / Light Belt for Victory Smite or Anguinus Belt ?

Beir belt+1 if you have, black belt if you don't.

**Gokku** · 2011-01-01 14:29

hows 7-9 str going to out do a .2 ftp mod on all hits?

**Foldypaws** · 2011-01-01 14:31

Originally Posted by Gokku

hows 7-9 str going to out do a .2 ftp mod on all hits?

A) it's .1, not .2 B) It's only on the first hit. fTP is only *ever* on the first hit.

**Nightfyre** · 2011-01-01 14:34

Originally Posted by Foldypaws

25% haste 20 attack and 3 DA or 26% haste on DRG? (Atheling or Lancer's w/ 25% haste)

Atheling

**Gokku** · 2011-01-01 14:36

ok then im better off dropping both ws gorget / belt from all ws , last i checked i though gorget worked on all hit.

**Darkmagi** · 2011-01-01 14:38

The acc does, so use it on some of the more evasive NMs.

**mallister** · 2011-01-01 14:39

the acc is for all hits, the fTP bonus is generally accepted to be just on first hit.

**Cream Soda** · 2011-01-01 14:40

Originally Posted by Gokku

ok then im better off dropping both ws gorget / belt from all ws , last i checked i though gorget worked on all hit.

Gorget does work on all hits (the acc). The gorget's "Increases damage" portion comes from FTP. It's not just gorgets, it's FTP in general. It is only applied to the first hit of any ws. So by adding .1 ftp and 10 acc, you get the dmg increase (via FTP so only first hit), and the 10 acc for all hits.

From Kine's math in the ws belts thread, I'd say ele belt still worth using outside of abyssea, and from his math, he said gorget is still good to use. (though I was asking vs faith torque or justice in the question. didn't ask about the str+7 one)

**Gokku** · 2011-01-01 14:41

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/101702-Elemental-Belts
answer to my own questions!

**Nightfyre** · 2011-01-01 14:46

Originally Posted by Gokku

ok then im better off dropping both ws gorget / belt from all ws , last i checked i though gorget worked on all hit.

The fact that fTP only applies to the first hit doesn't make it automatically worse than stats in every case. I do agree with Cream Soda's recommendation though.

**Kuishen** · 2011-01-01 23:01

Originally Posted by Kuishen

For THF, assume 26% haste and 40% (if w/ Auric, 35% w/o) DW: Twlight/Triplus, Twilight/Auric, Auric/Triplus or some other combo I'm not aware of?

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**Nightfyre** · 2011-01-02 00:38

Something that isn't Auric, I can tell you that much.

**Fwahm** · 2011-01-02 01:19

Originally Posted by Fwahm

Atma for a scythe or great sword using Dark Knight (so no crit WS)? Been having trouble deciding.

Need to pick three, and the good ones I'm looking at are Voracious Violet, Razed Ruin, Alpha and Omega, Apocalypse, and Griffon's Wing.

Griffon's Wing is +10 to scythe and great sword skill, and +20% to weaponskill damage.

Also, Twilight Scythe vs Reckoning +2 (WS damage +10%), both outside abyssia, and inside.

DRK/SAM with a 5 hit and 21% haste.

**Raen Ryong** · 2011-01-02 11:20

How much D is Reckoning +2?

**Fwahm** · 2011-01-02 16:42

Reckoning +2 has 120 damage

**Wolfshadow** · 2011-01-02 23:35

Soil belt or STR belt for stringing pummel, i heard that for certain ws's (victory smite) a STR belt would be better because of more hits on the weaponskill :<

**Snakegod** · 2011-01-03 08:34

im just curious for blade: jin what is better? Gnadbhod's helm or Varangian helm

please and ty in advance

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