Random Question Thread XVIII: Just an Ordinary Sword of Legend

[Nameless]

Random question. Which of the following is the hardest upgrade in term of difficulty? Pld AF3+2 body, Drg AF3+2 body, or Rdm AF3+2 body? And in term of usefulness, which one is the best to do first? I have aurum's cuirass for drg, and for rdm I have nothing worth mentioning, and pld tp and idle I am still using ares and hauby. So with that in mind, what would be the best thing to do first and what is the hardest.

Thank you.

[Jimothy]

Was there ever any testing on atma enmity- or are wiki values just arbitrary numbers someone thought sounded good?

[Yugl]

Random question. Which of the following is the hardest upgrade in term of difficulty? Pld AF3+2 body, Drg AF3+2 body, or Rdm AF3+2 body? And in term of usefulness, which one is the best to do first? I have aurum's cuirass for drg, and for rdm I have nothing worth mentioning, and pld tp and idle I am still using ares and hauby. So with that in mind, what would be the best thing to do first and what is the hardest.

Thank you.

Difficulty: RDM => DRG => PLD
Utility: RDM<=> DRG => PLD

Until I get 4% haste hands, the extra sTP is essential for making OAT gain a 5-hit without sacrificing 25% haste. If it is not the case for you, then RDM body is definitely a step up since it essentially covered Idle/MND sets/Dark Enfeebles (10 Magic ACC + 6-12 Magic ACC from the INT). That means it covers Pluviale/Dalmy + Augur's + Warlocks (Even if using for the hMP, I would imagine the 2MP/tick beats that). Furthermore, having the rest of the +2 set means you gain an extra 22% bonus to enhancing magic duration when cast under composure. You also gain additional duration bonus on enfeebles, so that just seals its place in utility. Conversely, Paladin is paladin.

[Kamil]

Think RDM and NIN could take Orthrus down?

[Yugl]

I would not risk it since the drop rate on Heroes NMs tends to be lame. RDM's Enfeebles won't land/help much. Also, he can technically AoE Magic > Flames. It might not kill you, but it will strain your RDM since he or she won't have access to cure V.

[Nameless]

Difficulty: RDM => DRG => PLD
Utility: RDM<=> DRG => PLD

Until I get 4% haste hands, the extra sTP is essential for making OAT gain a 5-hit without sacrificing 25% haste. If it is not the case for you, then RDM body is definitely a step up since it essentially covered Idle/MND sets/Dark Enfeebles (10 Magic ACC + 6-12 Magic ACC from the INT). That means it covers Pluviale/Dalmy + Augur's + Warlocks (Even if using for the hMP, I would imagine the 2MP/tick beats that). Furthermore, having the rest of the +2 set means you gain an extra 22% bonus to enhancing magic duration when cast under composure. You also gain additional duration bonus on enfeebles, so that just seals its place in utility. Conversely, Paladin is paladin.

Thank you. What is a good 5 hit setup for OAT polearm? Outside of abyssea.

[Yugl]

Thank you. What is a good 5 hit setup for OAT polearm? Outside of abyssea.

I was referring to inside abyssea with VV, but it's doable outside abyssea using:
Rose Strap
White Tathlum
2 STP Neckpiece
Brutal Earring
Rajas Ring
Goading Belt
AF3+2 body

If you land all 4 hits, you're safe. If you miss two, hope for conserve TP. All except the belt remain during WS. You still retain 25% Haste though.

Edit: You can drop the 2STP piece to 1STP, but you'll need all 3 extra hits to land.

[Guitarman]

Think RDM and NIN could take Orthrus down?

no

[Darkmagi]

Yes but whm would have a lot easier of a time. RDM is likely to cap enmity before it dies I'd think.
edit: Or if you have brother wolf atma you should take very little damage on nin, so that works too with a rdm healer.

[Julian]

So currently working on Empy's #2 and 3 (Armageddon & Kannagi), and I just tried doing Carabosse with NIN instead of mnk, and holy shit it's so much fucking easier to get a pop set when you can almost always proc red D:

Only issue is that nin.. oh wait I can aeolian edge burn I guess :D Need to get the gales atma, though.

Uh, I was going to ask if it would be better to go WAR instead of nin? My war is kinda, really badly geared? Not really, but it was pretty NQ back in the days. Well the only really gimp gear I guess is vermeil axe and hauby :/ However, I imagine that WAR would be able to kill Carabosse in about the same time it takes on MNK, definitely faster than NIN (pre-hi). Cara takes 5~8min on mnk depending on bitchy level and how fast it bene's, on nin was taking 12~15, which felt like a big deal. I also worry a bit that I feel way too naked defensively on WAR, but shouldn't be an issue with an infinite mp pool whm.

Fuck, I just realized my WAR only has 149 GKT skill with the gkt headband.. if only I had a justice torque!

[Greatguardian]

While I don't have WAR leveled personally and thus can't really speak from experience as to how well this stacks up offensively, I've seen well geared WARs tank surprisingly well /MNK. In a scenario where you have another well-geared DD around it's probably less than ideal, since you can't expect to always have hate to counter, but if you're the sole melee on something then the defensive and offensive benefits of Counterstance may be worth using over Hasso. While it's unlikely that a 50-70% Counter rate (depending on Atma, probably 60% assuming RR/GH/Apoc) is going to flat out beat 10% JA Haste from a pure damage standpoint, it does add an extremely high amount of damage mitigation to the mix. Since you're 1 skill shy of Jinpu anyways, going from /SAM to /MNK shouldn't cost you any Red procs either, I believe. It's an option, if you're worried about your defensive traits on WAR.

[Julian]

I get Jinpu with /sam, need /nin for the dagger ws's.

I'm the only melee. I wish I had a war or nin mule just to proc red's so I can keep punching shit on mnk :<

[Darkmagi]

Maybe better suited for tech but I have had this problem for ages and never really bothered to look for a solution: for some reason I randomly crash in FFXI when switching windows, for no apparent reason. Happens regularly but cannot be replicated if I actually try to (Usually happens at least once a day though). FFXI runs perfectly fine on my computer so I have no idea why this happens to me so frequently. Anyone have this happen before or have any suggestions?

[Massimo]

no

You really need to stop giving strategy advice. Not everyone is as terrible a player as you.

[Apelila]

Ok, So with all the stuff added over the last 2 updates I really, REALLY haven't done any weapon changes for my MNK like I should. I'm wanting to know what I can immediately replace with something better as I'm still using my Destroyers. I don't get to use MNK like i'd like to, there's much better geared ones in my shell but I'd like to start swapping things for using it to solo dominion stuff.

So weapons. Destroyers have been around so long and there are so, SO many freaking options for HTH now that I'm left scratching my head and going 'well, wtf is better? what should I work for?'.

[Darkmagi]

Revenant fists +2 or verethragna pretty much, Victory smite is just an incredible damage increase for mnk.

[Apelila]

Those 2 look good but also look like a pain in the ass to get what with all the NM's and WOE. Are they?

[Yugl]

Those 2 look good but also look like a pain in the ass to get what with all the NM's and WOE. Are they?

It doesn't matter because the damage increase they provide surpasses anything else you can get for MNK.

[Neisan]

Yes (Darksday, Anrin Obi to force dark proc on all)

Spoiler: show

ib4 oh noes forgot to cover gils

Tested Fencer's and it doesn't work from unclicking HP buff (enspell damage was still 23 after unclicking buff, Enblizzard on Watersday) so I'm going to conclude none of the JSE rings follow the same rule.

[Nightfyre]

It fits 10% curepot though... hmm. I know BLM ring doesn't work and iirc some of the others have been confirmed to need non-Abyssea latent HP, so that's interesting.