Random Question Thread XVIII: Just an Ordinary Sword of Legend

[Radec]

Spam the fishing rod quest, 2 options: bring enough light crystals for 50 synths, maybe extra for breaks. Woodworking 10+ required, synth broken rod guy gives you to completed piece, total flux travel time and rezoning takes 3 minutes. 2nd option, buy the requested finished pieces (50) from npc in sandy, it's a female elvaan who gets the delivery from the little girl near/before the leather guild.

My question, what's fastest or most efficient way to build fame in grauberg abyssea?

Abyssea-Time efficient, getting lucky > father's legacy over and over, but requires a pile of Pursuer wings (30-40k each here).
Edit: to be clear, 1x getting lucky, large X Legacy

Getting Lucky spam or Egg Enthusiast spam likely best for gil/fame.

[Pandorablue]

Looking for good ideas on RDM merits. Gonna probably redo them I guess.

For RDM I chose: 5/5 vert/ice acc and 3/5 Slow/Para 2/5 Bio/Dia...

lolBlind, and if anyone needs Phalanx, I can /SCH. Even 5/5 Phalanx II doesn't beat capped Phalanx, so what's the point?

[Yugl]

With all the DA BLU can get these days, it wouldn't really surprise me. 10 from set trait, 5 Brutal, 2 Twilight, 3 Atheling, 3 Epona, and possible 2-3 from body if Aurore/ACP. I might be missing something, but with the DA Khanda, you'll have 35ish DA that can proc on either hand and all WS hits. TP gain would be close or beyond OAT and WS average would be way better.

Edit: I fucked up. DA is once a hand on WS, not once a hit.

Also didn't count atmas, but then, that's hard to account for since different people might use different ones.

On the subject of DA; didn't I read at one point that it had diminishing returns, or was that just considering what gear you had to give up?

@ Nightfire: ANGRY

DA has diminishing returns, but it's not because of the gear you give up. It's because you can't DA a DAed hit. What does that mean? Think about it this way. If you gain 1% DA and DA, in order to prove that the 1%DA mattered, you need to prove not only that DA would have proced, but that it would have not proced if you didn't have that 1% DA.

Lets say you start with 5DA and do 100 hits. Five of those hits should DA. That means in order for any extra DA to matter, it needs to affect the other 95 hits. That then means you have 5% DA for 95 instead of 100 hits. That number is going to be less than the 5%DA applying to 100 hits.

Also, DA on body isn't applicable because of Mintan+2.

Edit: Night, why would you use Apoc on BLU though? RR/GH/SS works well for melee situations because we get zero critical hit damage boost outside of atmas. VV/RR/Minikins for spell spam.

[Guild43]

Serious question:

Twilight mail or Perle Hauberk for WAR in Abyssea. Assume access to all normal DD Atma.

Before you castrate me, do we really need 25 accuracy in Abyssea?

Side note: Why the hell is Warrior not on Twilight Belt!?

[Nightfyre]

Edit: Night, why would you use Apoc on BLU though? RR/GH/SS works well for melee situations because we get zero critical hit damage boost outside of atmas. VV/RR/Minikins for spell spam.

Loki's Kaftan. Even without it, Apoc is beating SS by a good 12% even with RR/GH as my other atmas. Swap out GH for MM or VV and Apoc pulls further ahead. Add Loki's back in, still more.

Remember, you're getting a 15.4% increase in critdmg by going from 30% to 50% and that's on ~half your hits, 74% with GH. Apoc is adding a shitton of attacks you didn't have previously, which will also be able to crit, and it's increasing WS frequency. Also, more aftermath procs.

EDIT: Just swapped out the Almace, Apoc is still over 10% ahead.

[Yugl]

Loki's Kaftan. Even without it, Apoc is beating SS by a good 12% even with RR/GH as my other atmas. Swap out GH for MM or VV and Apoc pulls further ahead. Add Loki's back in, still more.

Remember, you're getting a 15.4% increase in critdmg by going from 30% to 50% and that's on ~half your hits, 74% with GH. Apoc is adding a shitton of attacks you didn't have previously, which will also be able to crit, and it's increasing WS frequency. Also, more aftermath procs.

EDIT: Just swapped out the Almace, Apoc is still over 10% ahead.

You're using Loki's over Mintan+2? Also, how is DA Khanda going to affect TA's value?

[Massimo]

Best (insidea abyssea) general TP setup for THF? I was thinking somethin along the lines of this.

I had +2 body/hands in there at one point, but figured Loki's would be a bigger improvement. I haven't kept up on THF gear in a while, so it's possible I'm missing some things.

[Firedemon]

At what point let's say does +STR beat out +Scythe skill for weapon skills? Basically I'm looking at optimizing Guillotine without taking into consideration available atmas, and looking at the Rekka Hachimaki VS Hecatomb Cap.

[Nightfyre]

You're using Loki's over Mintan+2?

For WS, yes... If MP/hitrate isn't an issue, I'd TP in it too with Zelus Tiara covering the loss of haste.

Also, how is DA Khanda going to affect TA's value?

EDIT: Misread. TA takes priority over DA, so there is a sort of loss but not as bad as it would be if it was the reverse.

[Kidnoftle]

Best (insidea abyssea) general TP setup for THF? I was thinking somethin along the lines of this.

I had +2 body/hands in there at one point, but figured Loki's would be a bigger improvement. I haven't kept up on THF gear in a while, so it's possible I'm missing some things.

afaik this is the current best (I use twilight instead of triplus due to lack of triplus)

[Kuishen]

Best (insidea abyssea) general TP setup for THF? I was thinking somethin along the lines of this.

I had +2 body/hands in there at one point, but figured Loki's would be a bigger improvement. I haven't kept up on THF gear in a while, so it's possible I'm missing some things.

That's pretty much what I was looking at, but wondering if Twilight would be better offhand than triplus? Also, Raider's Boomerang or would that put you over the delay reduction cap with full buffs?

[Yugl]

Obviously for WS. I just did not see 10% TA doing that much much damage considering that you're stacking 35-40% DA on BLU (Even if it procs before DA, it's less dmg than it would have been w/o all that DA).

Edit: To further explain, I mean that if DA had a chance to proc where TA does (i.e. their procs overlap), you're only gaining the benefit of one hit really.

[Massimo]

That's pretty much what I was looking at, but wondering if Twilight would be better offhand than triplus? Also, Raider's Boomerang or would that put you over the delay reduction cap with full buffs?

My problem with Raider's is that you have to keep it on during WS. That's the kinda stuff I posted to figure out though.

No matter how much I love Twilight, I'm pretty sure Triplus is the best offhand with its lower delay and boosts to TA, especially considering Apoc.

[Nightfyre]

Obviously for WS. I just did not see 10% TA doing that much much damage considering that you're stacking 35-40% DA on BLU (Even if it procs before DA, it's less dmg than it would have been w/o all that DA).

Edit: To further explain, I mean that if DA had a chance to proc where TA does (i.e. their procs overlap), you're only gaining the benefit of one hit really.

If it was 10% then it would certainly be closer, but to my knowledge it's 15%.

[Kuishen]

Okies, just wondering. I'd like to know myself as well. I just recently got Apoc so relevant to me now.

[TheDirtyHobo]

At what point let's say does +STR beat out +Scythe skill for weapon skills? Basically I'm looking at optimizing Guillotine without taking into consideration available atmas, and looking at the Rekka Hachimaki VS Hecatomb Cap.

When you switch to 1h axes to use a decent WS. And for the example you gave, Hecatomb cap would utterly destroy the Hachimaki in all situations. 11 STR gives 8-9 attack, 5 skill gives 4-5 attack, so you've got a 4 attack lead before even factoring in the WSC mods.

In the more general case of STR vs Skill, it's hard to pinpoint exactly where without just plugging it into some assumed numbers for mob def/VIT, but if STR is a WS mod, I wouldn't even consider skill unless it was 10+ skill vs. 2-3 STR, which frankly is just unrealistic.

[Zubuis]

Just wondering if theres any clear opinion of how the abyssite of discernment works. Theres always a debate in our linkshell on this. When you get the message "the mob is weak to <x>" after you try to proc, does that mean that spell/ws isnt the correct one. Or is the message irrelevant?

[TheDirtyHobo]

Just wondering if theres any clear opinion of how the abyssite of discernment works. Theres always a debate in our linkshell on this. When you get the message "the mob is weak to <x>" after you try to proc, does that mean that spell/ws isnt the correct one. Or is the message irrelevant?

You can get the message on the correct trigger spell/WS if it's mistimed (during mob WS or casting), if that's the question.

[Innuendo]

How many people to do KS99s for black belt items without risking a loss? Anything worth mentioning about the fights?

[rog]

Kite? It moves at flee speed. You can kite it when it's NOT doing chainspell because it stops to cast and do gaze moves, but the problem is during chainspell. During chainspell, he barely stops to move and sleepga II will stall you slightly even if you have poison on. Either way, you're not outrunning a flee speed NM during chainspell. Furthermore, the difference between our set up isn't enough to change it from 300 to 150 dmg since he doesn't stick to a particular element. If I'm getting hit for 300 dmg, that's going to be the general ball-park range for most players since I'm at capped MDT as well.

It doesn't run at flee speed, it's closer to mazurka speed. It's easy to kite around various rocks in gusta. You won't avoid every spell (or rather if you do, it'll depop), but it's very easy to survive. I've soloed it a dozen+ times.

It casts a lot of shitty nukes (stone, etc) which do far less damage. Thunder still does quite a bit of damage obviously, but it casts more than that, as you mentioned. Also, it tends to spam sleepga during cs. it's not uncommon for it to cast it 5+ times in a row, which even without poison makes it pretty easy to survive.

If you can't handle shog solo, then suck less?

Edit: an average of 100-150 unresisted sounds pretty bulshitty, but I can't recall what I was taking nor do I have any screenshots to back it up. Regardless, I wouldn't take rog's advice on soloing too seriously since I'm pretty sure that he flee hacks his fights a lot of the time based on previous discourse. And before I get jumped on for being a hater let me just add that 1. I don't care about people flee hacking (I'd be a hypocrite if I condemned anyone for doing it even though I personally don't understand why anyone would use it in order to kill something) and 2. I think he's a good and usually very helpful poster. I'm just being honest.

I speed hack to 12% while soloing, since i don't have wlegs. That's it, nothing more. Really not sure why you think i flee hack my solos, just because i said i speed hack once with no context of what i use it for.