Celebrity Death Thread 2011

[Jb1210a]

Do we know for a fact who was driving the car yet?

[Eticket]

I can't believe no one pointed this one out.

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As for Ryan Dunn: QQ

I was quite proud of myself on that one. lol

And just because they are celebrity doesn't mean I need to suck their burnt up dick when they die either. His friends and family are heartbroken yes, makes it all the more reason it's fucking selfish and retarded what he did. You can just go "oh people make mistakes" to everything and brush it off. That's a shitty out and if he wasn't some dumbass from jackass you'd say the same thing. He took another life with him in the crash, how anyone can defend his actions with "stupid mistake" is beyond words to me.

I think I lean more on this side of the argument, if there is one.


Also, holy shit Yuri. Sucks, but you seem to be handling it pretty damn well.

[Dimmauk]

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/...PeterFalk2.JPG

Legendary "Columbo" star Peter Falk died Thursday night at the age of 83, his family confirmed to CBS News.

Falk, a five time Emmy Award winner, was best known for his role as the rumpled raincoat wearing detective in a TV series that began in 1971 and ran through 2003, though new episodes were broadcast less frequently over the years.

He suffered from Alzheimers and was placed into conservatorship in 2009.

Falk was also nominated for two Oscars; in 1961 he got the nod for "Murder, Inc.," while a year later, he earned a nomination for "Pocketful of Miracles."

[Ksandra]

nooooo I will always remember him as the sweet grandpa from the Princess Bride didn't realyl watch columbo much) so sad. ;_;

[Rhinox]

Peter falk has been dead for years only it's now official.

[Minions]

RIP, Princess Bride the movie still ranks with some of the best movies in my book.

[Kohan]

Nonsensical is not mouring the loss of life. Alcohol impairs judgement, makes people do things they wouldn't normally do. You do realize alcoholism is an addiction, right? You don't just magically stop doing it one day. He obviously needed some type of intervention if he's done this in the past. He wasn't out to cause harm to anyone, so your analogy is fucking retarded. I know you get off on being a cold-hearted prick, but being happy that someone died puts you at a level with the westboro church fucktards.

It's unfortunate that you would have such a carefree point of view on this subject, and consider that wise and warm. There are many measures a full grown man may take when he plans to drink, such as designating a driver beforehand while entirely sober, walking to their favorite water hole rather than driving there (or taking a taxi), and so on. Furthermore, as mentioned, he was caught doing this in the past, and clearly made no effort to change his behavior. You call that "a mistake"? No, it was perfectly willing. Despite the fact that alcohol impairs judgment, he had many moments of sobriety during which he could have made wiser decisions, and we do not know that he necessarily suffered from alcoholism itself -- he may have had no problem at all with casually drinking and driving afterward, thinking nothing of it, which was disrespectful of others all on its own.

You would say that someone who blatantly disregarded one of the saner sets of laws we have, and in doing so acted selfishly, carelessly, and dangerously, deserves the same respect as, say, a person who would have been killed in an accident by said behavior? Clearly, you'll respect anyone and anything -- a bit door mat-ish, if I do say so myself. You have no desire to apply reason, only irrationality, and disguise this as humanism. You would imply that disrespecting someone who did not take other human lives into consideration is on the same level as people who, well, behave that way? There is no sense in such an allusion, and if you had a higher respect for human life (as you imply you do), perhaps you would understand why someone who completely disregards it deserves no sympathy upon their own death.

And fuck Roger ebert. seriously.

This comment, too, entertains, since you discussed how alcoholics can make awful decisions and should be excused from their mistakes, as you evidently do not know about Ebert's own history. He has been there, and has no reason to be merciful. You should excuse him, though, should you not? You should adore him, as he was once an alcoholic and substance abuser, and everyone makes mistakes, and under your false veil of supposed humanism, you believe all these people should be forgiven, correct?

Please try to exercise reason, and not half-hearted, ill-researched excusing, else there's no reason for you to be taken seriously.

EDIT: Oh, and to address what others have said about feeling for their family members: you're absolutely right. The emotional and financial burden drunk drivers place on their families is horrendous, though yet another reason one shouldn't herald the person responsible. Their loved ones deserve sympathy, and as they will, they'll mourn their dead nonetheless, but that does not make the dead admirable.

[Qalbert]

So if someone dies doing something stupid and reckless it negates anything positive they ever did? That's bullshit. Part of dealing with death is thinking back on fond memories, and if someone really loved seeing Dunn in Jackass that shouldn't change just because he died doing something retarded and unsafe. No one is going OH MAN HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK THATS FUCKAWESOME. But there's nothing wrong with focusing on what/why you liked the guy instead of going NAH FUCK HIM HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK.

[quannum]

bad guys who do good things? godwin's law time1

[Souj]

Why the hell are people still talking about Dunn?

[Day]

So if someone dies doing something stupid and reckless it negates anything positive they ever did? That's bullshit. Part of dealing with death is thinking back on fond memories, and if someone really loved seeing Dunn in Jackass that shouldn't change just because he died doing something retarded and unsafe. No one is going OH MAN HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK THATS FUCKAWESOME. But there's nothing wrong with focusing on what/why you liked the guy instead of going NAH FUCK HIM HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK.

If they take an innocent life in the process.... yes. Fuck em. Quit trying to play this off as a stupid/reckless mistake. That's such a fucking understatement it doesn't even begin to properly describe the situation.

[Day]

Why the hell are people still talking about Dunn?

It's a hot topic. Sorry a conversation has continued past the point you are willing to read about it. Perhaps moving on with life would be a good plan.

[quannum]

Why the hell are people still talking about Dunn?

blame the empathy police

[kuronosan]

And just because they are celebrity doesn't mean I need to suck their burnt up dick when they die either. His friends and family are heartbroken yes, makes it all the more reason it's fucking selfish and retarded what he did. You can't just go "oh people make mistakes" to everything and brush it off. That's a shitty out and if he wasn't some dumbass from jackass you'd say the same thing. He took another life with him in the crash, how anyone can defend his actions with "stupid mistake" is beyond words to me.

I never watched Jackass, so I don't really give a fuck who he is.

[Kohan]

So if someone dies doing something stupid and reckless it negates anything positive they ever did? That's bullshit. Part of dealing with death is thinking back on fond memories, and if someone really loved seeing Dunn in Jackass that shouldn't change just because he died doing something retarded and unsafe. No one is going OH MAN HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK THATS FUCKAWESOME. But there's nothing wrong with focusing on what/why you liked the guy instead of going NAH FUCK HIM HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK.

There is a problem with it, in fact: glossing over the reality of the situation. As mentioned earlier, under the guise of humanism, individuals are praising someone while neglecting to mention that they were responsible not only for their own death, but for that of another person -- in short, they killed someone else, not simply themselves. (If you have not read more updated stories, it has been confirmed that he had an incredibly high alcohol level -- the autopsy didn't take long, evidently.) If he survived, but his friend had not, and the justice system were fair, he would be facing jail time for his actions -- not an endless parade of love and praise.

This should be mentioned, recognized, and emphasized, because an outpouring of admiration that deliberately ignores the damning details provides no example for others to learn from. Out of the desire to be "politically correct," an important point is consciously being avoided. That is why these sorts of things continue to happen, and are accepted as normal. It would be an ideal time, therefore, for family and friends to come out against drunk driving; his death could, in fact, produce a useful after-effect for society if it was used as an example. Will this happen in the future? One can only hope.

Meanwhile, by painting it as a tragedy (when it was deliberate, and likely one of thousands of times when he'd driven drunkenly), a disservice is done. Likewise, by saying something completely out of focus -- namely, "if someone dies doing something stupid and reckless it negates anything positive they ever did" -- you're proving the impotence of the counterargument; the subject is not whether he was involved in anything that made people laugh or not while alive, but rather, whether he should be lauded after dying a completely irresponsible death (via means that also endangered others, and literally killed someone else, at that).

He should not be. His death was of his own making. He was careless, disregarded the importance of human life on a regular basis, and died while taking another life with him. That does not deserve respect, as it in of itself was a disrespectful act -- one that easily could have resulted in the deaths of any of those people willfully ignoring why it happened.

It's a pitiable but earned demise, and -- especially considering their celebrity status -- should be made a point of at every opportunity. If such showcasing makes a single person change their mind about drinking and driving, that is a more valuable after-effect than any amount of disposable, inauthentic, "going through the motions" affection shared via Twitter, Facebook, or any other medium will ever be.

Ebert used his fame for the right reasons, understanding that a large amount of people would read his statement and understand exactly what he meant. That's infinitely more important than non-relatives crying over an individual who could have very well been responsible for multiple deaths, and who was already liable for one.

[aduidarnenye]

Peter Falk:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/ar...ies-at-83.html

EDIT: Fuck me, missed it in all the Ryan Dunn stuff.

[bechyni]

Wasn't it also that guy's decision to get into the car with someone who he knew was under in the influence?

[Rhinox]

whats this thread about again?

[bechyni]

People dying and people bitching about how it's not the right way to go

[Eticket]

Peter Falk:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/ar...ies-at-83.html

EDIT: Fuck me, missed it in all the Ryan Dunn stuff.

Easy mistake to make.