FFXIII-2

[Katlan]

I think most ppl just dislike certain aspects of XIII, not out right hate it. While cities and towns often turn into a game of find the location, it's nice to have a few of them even if they are small towns that serve as nothing more then a 10-15 minute time sink. I thought XIII was a very good game and I played the shit out of it, but one thing that bugged the he'll out of me was the terminology / language they used. They tried so hard to create this world, but w/o adequadetly explaining stuff through in game dialogue it became very convoluted at times and it felt like I was always reading the notes section just to know WTF was going on

[Hyan]

most ppl just dislike certain aspects of XIII, not out right hate it.

Utopia

err maybe that's right actually, they're just the silent majority. Maybe.

[Toth]

I don't know why everyone hates on XIII.....it has nearly the same linearity of X, except you cannot revisit past cocoon locations. Thats it. Oh and maybe a minigame here or there with monster catching, chocobos, and hidden airship locations. But really, the extra sidequests with titan's trial, the final trial guy (even though he was a pussy tbh), and all the trials which are optional....i don't know.

FFXIII to me, was a very very well made game. If you look past the linearity and take it for what it should be taken for (an "Experience), you'll most likely love it just like i do. I'd like to see the lore they created explored in 2 as the others above me said. They have very little to do to the engine running the game most likely, and these next months until november (or whenever they're planning for japan release), will probably be all script/story and gameplay. I'm probably one of the few that wont care if the gameplay is near the same....it was fun.

Very well said. My thoughts exactly. For some reason, this game is like FFVIII to me. I love the game to death and I can't say just why (Triple Traid? The story? The realism and characters?). FFXIII has a similar impact on me. This increasingly complex mythology that is going to be explored is very exciting.

I think most ppl just dislike certain aspects of XIII, not out right hate it. While cities and towns often turn into a game of find the location, it's nice to have a few of them even if they are small towns that serve as nothing more then a 10-15 minute time sink. I thought XIII was a very good game and I played the shit out of it, but one thing that bugged the he'll out of me was the terminology / language they used. They tried so hard to create this world, but w/o adequadetly explaining stuff through in game dialogue it became very convoluted at times and it felt like I was always reading the notes section just to know WTF was going on

Like I mentioned before, they tried to minimize out of place dispositions by characters (etc why would Lightning have to explain what a Fal'Cie/L'Cie/Focus/Pulse to Hope or any other character when the said character has lived their entire life knowing this stuff?) by using a datalog as an instant reference guide for players to understand such things. People who dislike the story either disregard the datalog or are SOOOO offended that they didn't have things spelled out (and didn't read the instruction manual which states the whole thing about Cocoon and the Fal'Cie on the first pages!). SE probably should have had Vanille have a brief disposition before the first scene where she describes Cocoon and the society, including the Fal'Cie, for those people. In retrospect, I actually would have liked that as well. But cest le vie.

The Cid Raines Pic

WOW I didn't see it before but now I am on board with the idea that it is Cid. Cid was pretty much the opposite to Lightning in the original story. He chose to accept his fate as Barth's lacky, even after he tried to rebel and ultimately lost to Lightning. He allowed himself to be used as a tool to further Cocoon's end after he is revived, telling Rydea that he is nothing more than a puppet now. Lightning, of course, refused to compromise her beliefs and succeeded in her Focus. If this is really Cid...perhaps he will either help Lightning and regain his honor OR once again allow himself to be a pawn of a Fal'Cie. Would make him even more tragic.

Of course, if this story takes place in memories (The Corridor of Memories epilogue story), maybe this Cid is a personification of Lightning's memories and plagues her through her journey??? Oh the speculation!

[Nevex]

Yeah and Cid isn't confirmed to be dead (FF rule #1: if you don't see the exact instant they die they most likely don't die) so I think it's really him.
Or it could just be something that happens in a parallel world since FFXIII-2's story seems to have something to do with alternate time/space.

[Yeyoking]

I think most ppl just dislike certain aspects of XIII, not out right hate it. While cities and towns often turn into a game of find the location, it's nice to have a few of them even if they are small towns that serve as nothing more then a 10-15 minute time sink. I thought XIII was a very good game and I played the shit out of it, but one thing that bugged the he'll out of me was the terminology / language they used. They tried so hard to create this world, but w/o adequadetly explaining stuff through in game dialogue it became very convoluted at times and it felt like I was always reading the notes section just to know WTF was going on

I gotta agree with you there. They should have made you read a book before playing the game because you're lost the second the game starts with all the terminology throwing around.

[Lordender]

What pisses me off about these FF's.

1. I want explorable towns with npc shops like the old days. The thrill of getting to a new town in the older games was awesome because it usually meant upgrades + or new spells to buy. The upgrading system used in 13 was boring and useless until the end of the game where you could earn enough gil to do w/e you wanted.

2. I want an airship to fly around the world in to explore the nooks and crannies where you might get your ass kicked or find interesting things you previously couldn't get to.

3. Could we please get entire fucking gear sets? So tired of accessories only, where is the helm, body, glove armor etc.

Now I understand SE has gone to this new linear method to cut down time and money to produce a game. I understand they would have to spend a lot more time rendering the world so you can fly around in and time on making towns to explore but this is what has been missing from FF for a long time.

4. I feel like the recent Villain's have been absolutely crap since Kefka. SE has such a hardtime at making a Villain who has no regard for anyone and just wants to kill people and also accomplish this during the story. Kefka poisoned an entire kingdom, burnt down strago's town and destroyed the world just after killing the emperor. Kefka killed all kinds of people throughout the game unlike any villain yet thus far. SE must do a better job with the bad guy, it has been fail since Kefka imo.

I know FF12 hit on a lot of my gripes but the ending was fail. The ending ruined 12 for me because it just seemed like they were tired of working on the game and threw an ending together that took 10mins of actual thought. I liked the battle system in 13, I didn't totally hate 13 but it could have been much better than it was. I actually liked Lightning, I thought she was one of the better main characters of the series, fang was cool, hope got better as the game went on, snow and vanielle were terribad, sazh was cool.

The bad guys in 13 were terribad, the upgrading system was terribad, the missions/marks weren't done as well as it was in 12. I thought 13 was just ok and could have been epic if they would have combined some of the things from 12.

[Kuya]

making a Villain who has no regard for anyone and just wants to kill people and also accomplish this during the story

What complex and interesting character writing.

[Xno Kappa]

I don't know why everyone hates on XIII....

Honestly is just two or three people on both sides who can't stand each others opinion. It's usually epic rage too, like hunt the other poster down in other threads type rage. The rest of us either troll to stoke the flames more or just grab some popcorn and enjoy.

[Lucavi]

We never did really see Cid... die, so yeah, that could be him with new and improved hippie hair. Interesting.

[Toth]

I gotta agree with you there. They should have made you read a book before playing the game because you're lost the second the game starts with all the terminology throwing around.

But again, the instruction manual explains a lot of these terms on the 3rd/4th page alone.

[Shnaklaha]

Well, when i said about everyone hating on ffxiii, i guess I didn't really look around at what other people were saying on the board...it doesn't seem like anyone unreasonably hates it (in this thread at least). The comment mostly came from my experience with my former 2 roomates, which i won't get in to in great detail but one was a know-it-all who's opinions = facts to him, and the other was someone who, well if you had "Reviews" on your game website your word was god to him, so naturally all the reviews...well yea.

Cid being the main bad guy/supporting doesn't really click with me, though it would be nice to see him used a little bit more. I was always under the impression he got a bullet in his head when the invasion of cocoon began. BUT i just thought of something....if that is infact cid reborn or something....and he died in -this- world, so that cid is from the invisible world...what if like in 10, the invisible world is just a tangible form of heaven/hell/afterlife (Think farplanes from X). It kinda makes sense with the lore as well (maybe not with that bleeding out fal'cie, but idk).

just throwing out speculation ideas before bed....now bed zzzz

[Bregor]

All I know is I fkn love Lightning and if it's her and a ton of new characters that gets rid of half the reason I was meh on the original game.

Pretty much this.

Only part of XIII that still tilts me is that it needed way more Jihl.

[Ramor]

i honestly don't really want to sift through the like vs. dislike, does anyone have a link to the trailer that was leaked? i can't seem to track it down as it's obviously been pulled from youtubes and whatnot and i didn't see it skimming over the past few pages of "omg this sucks" or "omg its' the best thing ever"

[Ansems]

I don't know where I read or if it has been posted yet but 13-2 was made for light to "end up happy". So get ready for some sappy love story. note to self, I should post shit like this when I see it 2 months before gdi.. Personally I loved 13, yes it was different but it was still good. Some people like to call it a Jrpg and I've never played a Jrpg so it was new and exciting for me, least now I don't ever have to wonder about Tales of retardedness. Either way as good as 13 is, 13-2 will be way better I think, hopefully an all girl cast where Vanille looks like a complete slut and Hope comes out of the closet and crossdresses.

also as much as I want to play 13-2 I wanna see versus out already gdi shits' kingdomhearts on crack.

SE probably should have had Vanille have a brief disposition before the first scene where she describes Cocoon and the society, including the Fal'Cie, for those people. In retrospect, I actually would have liked that as well. But cest le vie.

Oh god this. I was lost til the end

Moving and switching characters during fights would be broken and you would never lose.

Also, Fang/Snow/Light or bust. Fang > light >snow >Hope> Vanille > Sazh.

[Yeyoking]

But again, the instruction manual explains a lot of these terms on the 3rd/4th page alone.

Didn't see your previous post but you're right it would have helped if they did some kind of exposition before the start of the game. One of the ways SE have done this before was in FFX with Tidus. Tidus was the fish out of the water and as he learned about the world of Spira so does the player. It explain the terminologies without any awkward exposition. FF13 didn't have a character like that, it just thrust you into the world and hope you understand it.

And Vanille would be the worst character to do any kind of exposition. The VA's voice is worst than nail on chalkboard.

[Shnaklaha]

And Vanille would be the worst character to do any kind of exposition. The VA's voice is worst than nail on chalkboard.

See, i didn't mind her VA too much when she wasn't trying her hardest to be a kawaiii ^_______^ girl, but that's like 90% of the time....i didn't use her in my party mostly because her fighting....well, if i closed my eyes after issueing commands i couldn't tell if she was having casual sex or getting raped the whole time but damn, that's like all she sounded like....made it awkward to play around friends when i had to play her parts >_>

[Cayos]

English version of the trailer. Available in 1080p.

[Nevex]

Not sure why Vanille was so badly received. I thought she was cute and funny. She's just like the other perky girls in the franchise such as Selphie and Rikku, except she actually plays a major role in the story.

[Tyrath]

Not sure why Vanille was so badly received. I thought she was cute and funny. She's just like the other perky girls in the franchise such as Selphie and Rikku, except she actually plays a major role in the story.

I was fine with her character, but I couldn't stand her voice. It made her really annoying to me.

[Toth]

I was fine with her character, but I couldn't stand her voice. It made her really annoying to me.

As a veteran of some many abysmal voice acting, I had no issues with Vanille's voice, although I will admit the moaning was a bit excessive. In fact, I applaud SE for actually finding quality and diverse actors for the FF series.