So long California....?

[miokomioko]

Perfect.

[Kuya]

i dunno lol

[Pirian]

Also, now that 2000 has gone by without a hitch, and 2012 is about to come and go just the same, what's going to be the next meaningless calendar year for idiots to fear?

2020, I can see it now.

Spoiler: show

Get it!? hahaha, so funny

[ZarakiKujata]

Theres some asteroids due between 2020-2030 right? I mean thats why they made Deep Impact/Armageddon..

Also, water that comes from the Hindu Kush's icecaps and supplies ~1+ billion people is due to run out maybe 10 years after that, so if that sets off a big enough war, expect ppl to give that as the date?

[Psion]

Meh, by that time desalination plants will be widespread and no one will care about scarce water anymore.

(As a Southern Californian resident, I can dream, can't I?)

[Pirian]

Meh, by that time the China/India War will be long-underway, and water will be the least of their issues.

(As a Southern Californian resident, I can dream, can't I?)

Fixed this for you

[Cantih]

Meh, by that time desalination plants will be widespread and no one will care about scarce water anymore.

(As a Southern Californian resident, I can dream, can't I?)

I'd like if they stationed some desalination plants all along the Big Sur.
(Even if it's as something as basic as greenhouse evaporation/distillation ponds)

[miokomioko]

You keep your ugly industry out of the prettiest areas of CA.

[Cantih]

You keep your ugly industry out of the prettiest areas of CA.

That's locked down by acre greedy landhogs that are too busy fellating John Miur's corpse to give a damn about the needs of anyone else.
The entire region is a homeowner's association for seclusionists.

[Max™]

It's a bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks
Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.
Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this
Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit.
One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Also: wtf@people not knowing the himalayan ice cap estimates were a fraud.

[zoobernut]

I'd like if they stationed some desalination plants all along the Big Sur.
(Even if it's as something as basic as greenhouse evaporation/distillation ponds)

Yeah fuck you stay out of my hometown.

Go north or south of there to areas that are already industrialized. We don't need to cover the entire earth with crap. Parks are good. As is keeping some space between people and buildings. A desalination plant could just as easily be in some of the already developed areas north in Monterey areas or even in Moss Landing.

Not only that but in Big Sur is no municipal water and no easy way to pipe water out from plants if you had them there so it would be a complete waste. Put the plants close to an area where it is easier to pipe it out to other areas.


Unless you actually don't know where Big Sur is and you are thinking of a different part of the California coast, which wouldn't surprise me.

[Cantih]

Unless you actually don't know where Big Sur is and you are thinking of a different part of the California coast, which wouldn't surprise me.

It's the big, generally empty area that starts, about halfway between Point Conception and Monterey Bay, and goes north until just before said bay.
And yeah, screw you too buddy.

[MaachaQ]

The entire world is "at risk" for all sorts of crazy major life ending natural disasters all the time.

We are also overdue for a major asteroid strike, as well as a major global volcanic eruption like the Yellowstone caldera.

They were predicting the New Orleans floods for years also, and when it finally happened they could all say "See, told you so!" This article could just be something to set precedent, so if anything remotely close to that happens they can all make tons of money as pundits on TV, preaching how they warned us...

[MaachaQ]

Flop is in reference to how much money it brought in vs. its production budget. Even if it wasn't a flop in the technical sense it was still a terrible terrible movie that "flopped" in the reviews.

All the numbers prove is that the world has really bad taste in movies and will pay to see any crap.

My kids love it >.> Of course, we've never paid a cent any time we've watched it... it's been on TV or on our On Demand video box for free...

[zoobernut]

It's the big, generally empty area that starts, about halfway between Point Conception and Monterey Bay, and goes north until just before said bay.
And yeah, screw you too buddy.

Well actual Big Sur is a little bit less coast line than that but close enough.

Still all my protective feelings over the area I grew up in aside, putting any sort of industry down there just wouldn't be practical in any way. Who would you service with these plants? Where would the water go? Why would you put these plants along the coast there where it would cost immense amounts to put in any sort of pipeline to get the water out? It would be cheaper to build the plant as well as cheaper to get the water to areas that need it if you build such plants North in the Moss Landing area or South in the Morrow Bay area then you will have options to build a pipeline or aqueduct to get the water to more populated areas.

Big Sur gets an average of 60+ inches of rain a year and everyone who lives there is on their own wells so they certainly don't need water from a desalination plant.

[Cantih]

Who would you service with these plants? Where would the water go?

Why would you put these plants along the coast there where it would cost immense amounts to put in any sort of pipeline to get the water out?

It would be cheaper to build the plant as well as cheaper to get the water to areas that need it if you build such plants North in the Moss Landing area or South in the Morrow Bay area then you will have options to build a pipeline or aqueduct to get the water to more populated areas.

Non-local use, or rather, California wide use, but generated in state. If efficiency can be raised and demand outpaced and reservoirs filled, fresh water could even be an export product, cash California could probably use.

To be fair, a better area would probably be the west Baja coast, but that's not in the US, so natch.

Also, because of NIMBY, no matter where you go, you get NIMBY, so the best way to sidestep is to pick a spot where there is a lack of population.
I don't have decent numbers, but from what I know of desalination efficiency and the water needs for state, a couple of facilities here and there won't cut it.
Yeah, you'll need to add a pipeline. It's that or truck it. Pick one.

And unless you go full evaporation (which is inefficient) and export the salt, there are restrictions on pumping the now higher concentration saltwater back to sea. So in order to keep it under control and generate enough fresh water, you'd need to spread the whole workload to facilities over a wide area.

[Psion]

I thought there were waste treatment facilities now that could purify sewage water from your toilets into drinkable and even palatable water now, but the only reason they aren't being widespread is due to the whole "ew, drinking toilet water" factor? (despite it not actually being toilet water at all anymore, but water that's cleaner and better tasting than what you would find even in bottled water, or at least california tap water. and arrowhead water)

Then again, supposedly tap water is supposed to taste good and be clean, and in southern california i can attest to the quality being as bad as mexico's, so I'm not sure how much I can trust such claims considering how bad our water tastes as it is. I know there's actual places where the water does taste good though, like in the mountains. The tap water at the big bear cabin I was at tasted better than anything I've ever had.

It just seems weird that we have all this waste water and we despite all our scientific advancements in everything else, we can't do something as simple as getting pure water out of sludge and making it taste good to boot? Maybe when I've mastered more chemistry I'll try looking into that.

[Acturus]

2020, I can see it now.

Spoiler: show

Get it!? hahaha, so funny

This clearly did not get the laughs it deserves.

[zoobernut]

Non-local use, or rather, California wide use, but generated in state. If efficiency can be raised and demand outpaced and reservoirs filled, fresh water could even be an export product, cash California could probably use.

To be fair, a better area would probably be the west Baja coast, but that's not in the US, so natch.

Also, because of NIMBY, no matter where you go, you get NIMBY, so the best way to sidestep is to pick a spot where there is a lack of population.
I don't have decent numbers, but from what I know of desalination efficiency and the water needs for state, a couple of facilities here and there won't cut it.
Yeah, you'll need to add a pipeline. It's that or truck it. Pick one.

And unless you go full evaporation (which is inefficient) and export the salt, there are restrictions on pumping the now higher concentration saltwater back to sea. So in order to keep it under control and generate enough fresh water, you'd need to spread the whole workload to facilities over a wide area.

Again I don't think you know the California coast very well if you think building a pipeline to Big Sur or trucking water in/out is at all viable cost wise. You are going to be much better of in so many other places than there. Big Sur isn't sparsely populated just because it is full of land grubbing people and state parks. It is mostly sparsely populated because the only road in or out to the north and south of the area close on a regular basis due to land slides, as well as the fact that the majority of the road is anywhere from a couple hundred feet up to 900 feet above the ocean on sheer rock cliffs. It also isn't viable to go through several mountain ranges straight East.

There is a reason why Gas in that area is usually 3-4 times the cost per gallon of anywhere else. It is expensive and a pain in the ass to bring trucks down to that area.

So again I would suggest that it would be much more efficient to build desalination plants in areas that are not quite so rocky and mountainous. Just a little bit north or an hour and a half south and you have areas with less mountains and cliffs right on the ocean as well as easier access to central valley for quick distribution of generated water.

[TummieGaruda]

Theres some asteroids due between 2020-2030 right? I mean thats why they made Deep Impact/Armageddon..

Also, water that comes from the Hindu Kush's icecaps and supplies ~1+ billion people is due to run out maybe 10 years after that, so if that sets off a big enough war, expect ppl to give that as the date?

Well, in one of the projections, if Apophis goes thru the gravitational keyhole in 2029, then it's due to hit in 2036 about 500 miles due west of Santa Barbara so yeah Cali is screwed regardless.