Middle East Revolutions: Current Bahrain protests getting violent

**Caiyuo** · 2011-01-31 14:53

Originally Posted by Ksandra

For those wondering who the leader is (or I guess will be), so far news have been starting to pin point in on Mohamed ElBaradei. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei

He was who I kept seeing pointed as the new leader over the weekend which confused me because of the talk here about there being no leader, but I'm not sure if that was in reference to Mubarak's replacement or someone leading the movement.

Originally Posted by Kuya

Oh please, as if this opinion mattered. The US is not going to endorse anyone that doesn't strictly benefit US foreign policy in the Middle East, and that right now is Mubarak.

Naturally the Press Briefing today was nothing but questions as to who specifically the Admin supported and if Mubarak should leave/run in Sept. No actual answers as expected.

**Mistress Stowastiq** · 2011-01-31 15:06

Got this on twitter, badass letter. @Caiyou I love that pic!
Eh oops I think this was already posted.

Open Letter To Al Jazeera from Anonymous
http://www.anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=345

Open Letter to Al Jazeera

To Whom It May Concern:

Thank you, Al Jazeera, for your outstanding coverage in the streets of Egypt. Your constant reporting and unbiased journalism has helped unite the revolutionaries, and the world. We stand with the people, waiting for Hosni Mubarak to relinquish the presidency and restore power to the people of Egypt. It is vital in this struggle that media outlets, do not become influenced by any Government or organization.

As the protests escalated, so did the amount of people across the world watching Al Jazeera. The free, 24 hour, online stream has become an invaluable tool for coverage of real time news. In addition to thanking you for providing this great resource, we would like to thank all of your reporters throughout Cairo, Suez, Alexandria, and the rest of Egypt. They demonstrated courage and passion standing amongst the protesters in the face of regime thugs and fear mongers.

The ideals of freedom and human rights are sought after throughout the globe. Starting with Tunisia and spreading as far as Yemen, Jordan, and Algeria, these protests represent a historic change in the history of mankind. We, the people, must work together and take the future in our own hands. Together we will work towards common goals for the advancement of our society. No longer will we stand for oppressive rule. No longer will we stand for rigged elections, or police brutality. This is our world, and together, we will live without oppression and tyranny. We must inspire a new generation, one with compassion for all humankind.

This has been an open letter from ANONYMOUS
31 January, 2011

We do not forget,
We do not forgive,
We love you,
Expect Us

**Kuya** · 2011-01-31 15:44

Originally Posted by Derock

Seems like it could immensely benefit the US by supporting the revolution though. Not only do we score points with the future leaders of Egypt (either immediately or in the foreseeable future), but we also score a few points with other Arab nations. However, Jews.

The US already has the Arab nations that matter in their pockets. By helping oust Mubarak they might even upset the Saudis and Jordanians.

**Ksandra** · 2011-01-31 17:55

Out of curiosity does anyone have any links of Gamal (Mubarak's son) saying anything about the situation. It's is pretty certain that Mubarak wanted/wants Gamal to take over for him and Mubarak is 82. I'm surprised that Gamal as the "future leader" (as far as the heads are concerned) hasn't done anything that I've read to try and ease the Egyptians over him taking over. It's all been Mubarak trying to crowd control which doesn't make Gamal look good at all. I'm sure he must be doing something, but I haven't come across anything.

**Zoolander** · 2011-01-31 18:30

At this point there is no way Gamal getting power would be tolerated and he certainly has no real legitimacy to clean this up. The plan may have been him or the intelligence chief to take over in an organized way, but on the cusp of revolution would not be the time, it would just be throwing his own son to the wolves. I imagine he wants to distance himself from all of this as much as possible, although thats pretty much impossible since his last name is Mubarak lol.

Honestly this whole thing seems almost like a done deal...the army isnt going to use violence so it is basically powerless to stop any advances and the masses are well...massive. Only thing that I see stopping this at all is time, and I have no idea how Mubarak could buy it.

**Ksandra** · 2011-01-31 18:48

Originally Posted by Zoolander

At this point there is no way Gamal getting power would be tolerated and he certainly has no real legitimacy to clean this up. The plan may have been him or the intelligence chief to take over in an organized way, but on the cusp of revolution would not be the time, it would just be throwing his own son to the wolves. I imagine he wants to distance himself from all of this as much as possible, although thats pretty much impossible since his last name is Mubarak lol.

Honestly this whole thing seems almost like a done deal...the army isnt going to use violence so it is basically powerless to stop any advances and the masses are well...massive. Only thing that I see stopping this at all is time, and I have no idea how Mubarak could buy it.

ya I agree that there's no hope from him, it just seems "off" that he hasn't said anything, but as you said maybe he just wanted to distance himself from his father asap.

**Zoolander** · 2011-01-31 19:14

You guys should probably tone down the whining about the US response too. You are not ignorant or naive people as far as I can tell. The international system is one that places individual state agency above all else. The world system is a collective of individuals working together to achieve their own self interests. This is not some new revelation, so stop acting like the US should be proceeding in a totally moral way with the best interest of others coming before their own. You can challenge the way states go about achieving their own self interest or what they deem to be in their own self interest as being shortsighted or just wrong and I'm all for bashing our support of Israel, Mubarak etc., but in this current situation they have to walk a really fucking thin line and so far its being balanced pretty well.

**Yabby** · 2011-01-31 19:18

Originally Posted by Zoolander

You guys should probably tone down the whining about the US response too. You are not ignorant or naive people as far as I can tell. The international system is one that places individual state agency above all else. The world system is a collective of individuals working together to achieve their own self interests. This is not some new revelation, so stop acting like the US should be proceeding in a totally moral way with the best interest of others coming before their own. You can challenge the way states go about achieving their own self interest or what they deem to be in their own self interest as being shortsighted or just wrong and I'm all for bashing our support of Israel, Mubarak etc., but in this current situation they have to walk a really fucking thin line and so far its being balanced pretty well.

Thank you so much for this, the IRC has been going the same way of this thread.

**vrumpt** · 2011-01-31 20:28

how do you get any bigger than the ENTIRE nation of Egypt... watching those videos of just people walking and forcing the police units to retreat was pretty impressive already. I'd also imagine the Egyptians would probably be tired and exhausted after a week of this, how on earth do they keep at it? Very interesting to see something like this happen, so i'm looking forward to mubarak stepping down. Also props to the White House for successfully playing the word game so far through this entire ordeal, can't imagine how stressed they are given the situation and constant pressure from... everybody.

**Cleveland_7795** · 2011-01-31 21:57

Originally Posted by Zealot

The biggest rally/protest yet is planned for tomorrow, so it should begin in just a few hours Egypt time. Can't wait to see how it plays out.

If its anything like Iran in 1979...not gonna play out too well.

Demosthenes11 · 2011-01-31 22:44

Originally Posted by Cleveland_7795

If its anything like Iran in 1979...not gonna play out too well.

wow that is basically the exact line the rupert murdoch media has been expelling out the last few days. yahoo! didnt want to be left behind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/201...ureofegypt6780

**Rhinox** · 2011-01-31 22:48

Originally Posted by Cleveland_7795

If its anything like Iran in 1979...not gonna play out too well.

Yet everything that has been reported thus far shows this as a secular movement.

**Faris** · 2011-02-01 01:30

think this has 3 possible outcomes to this (maybe more)

1- government shuts the people up by force, or by promises
2- People succeed in overthrowing the government, elects a new and improved president with a new government, Israel goes emo; more problems in the region.
3- U.S goes for the killshot, government overthrown, everyone with personal interest gets involved, egypt becomes a warzone: just like Iraq.

I'm hoping for #2, it can evolve in to something sexy, like a chain of changes will ensue the region, everyone will rise, Islam strikes back!
thats me dreaming.

Demosthenes11 · 2011-02-01 01:53

there is no way the US is getting overtly involved in this. we will only rara aah-ah-ah and maybe send some CIA dudes to jump on some roofs and shit.

and hoping for instability and war rather than peace is pretty low, even for you firas. we both know israel shouldnt be there but they aint going anywhere

**Faris** · 2011-02-01 02:17

nono thats not what i meant, although it may seemed that way.

I'm hoping for unity among muslims; and if that was achieved it will cause tension, which will be from Israel.

and hey what do you mean even by you....im all about peace.

**Kuya** · 2011-02-01 02:25

You says muslims, but in reality any outcome from this situation is more likely to result in nationalism. Besides, it's funny watching a muslim constantly talk about muslim unity, when the person saying this is more than likely sunni, and you know what islamist sunnis think of shias.

**Zoolander** · 2011-02-01 02:34

I have yet to see anyone make a legitimate comparison to '79 Iran. Maybe thinking about it for the first 30 seconds you have the thought "hmm, could this end up like Iran" and then you actually look at what happened and people behind it and...c'mon. Everyone had this thought and pretty much all of them should have quickly dismissed it.

Very interested to see what happens today...the Tunisia stuff was intriguing but this has put me into full blown geek-mode. The AJE live blog on this is pretty awesome for quick info: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-ea...egypt-protests

I see there being a lot more than 3 scenarios, especially considering your 3rd isn't even a realistic option.

Also this stuff totally overshadowed Sudan's referendum results (99.57% for splitting, lmao) and the Palestine Papers, which are both pretty awesome by themselves (although Sudan wasn't surprising at all and will be a slow process over next 6 months).

**Faris** · 2011-02-01 02:40

Originally Posted by Kuya

You says muslims, but in reality any outcome from this situation is more likely to result in nationalism. Besides, it's funny watching a muslim constantly talk about muslim unity, when the person saying this is more than likely sunni, and you know what islamist sunnis think of shias.

yes the majority of the issue is nationalism, but other parties who are trying to change the government are for Islamic objectives, Ikhwaan Il Muslimeen (Brothers of Islam) is one of them. Like i said, it can evolve in to this.

Sunni or Shia, we are all muslims. regardless of some differences. this issue is far too complex for you to really talk about my dear Kuya

Iraq makes me believe there is a chance for option 3, yo.

Demosthenes11 · 2011-02-01 02:41

Originally Posted by Firas

Iraq makes me believe there is a chance for option 3, yo.

which is why you are dumb

**archibaldcrane** · 2011-02-01 02:49

Originally Posted by Firas

Sunni or Shia, we are all muslims.

As long as there are no Sufis involved, amirite?

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