GOP: Raped? Pay for it yourself.

[ZarakiKujata]

No its correct, tons of charities classify themselves as churches b/c of awesome financial loopholes granted to them (i.e. Salvation Army). I mean it says something when Billy Graham is advocating the position for transparency in church charity finances and to remove tax-exemption for them.

edit: http://www.economist.com/node/180107...ry_id=18010759

Chuck Grassley is sponsoring a bill that would end religious tax exemption, should be interesting to see how it gets shut down.

[Correction]

And why is that the GOP is heartless when it's been shown over and over again they give more to charity than liberals do? I mean, at least the GOP is willing to give away their own money instead of everyone else's

If you're a multimillionaire, creating your own foundation and keeping 95% of what you donate to yourself as 'operating expenses' is the easiest tax loophole in existence. Donations to church are also considered tax-free charity.

Guess which political party gathers the most multimillionaires and christian suckers? Toss us another completely irrelevant one, kthx.

[aurik]

The only rape this statute does not cover is the rape you brought up, consenting statutory rape. And I'm pretty sure coercion is a form of force, so if their was brainwashing going on they would be covered.

WRONG.

[archibaldcrane]

The only rape this statute does not cover is the rape you brought up, consenting statutory rape.

That depends on your definition of force. Since laws specifically refer to "force or threat of force" as one type of rape, and "incapacitated" as another, I'd say that incapacitated, and ESPECIALLY "coerced without the threat of force" wouldn't be legally considered "forceful".

But you know, we could probably clear this whole thing up - if we just had rape victims bring forth four male witnesses to prove they've been raped, then there would be no problem at all! Sharia law is awesome, although it's confusing why the GOP is trying to go in that direction.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Are abortions even expensive?

[Kurokikaze]

About 350-700 depending on how late into the pregnancy.

[Correction]

About 350-700 depending on how late into the pregnancy.

And whether or not you go to an abortion clinic or a big ol' hospital (the more expensive option)

[Ashmada]

I mean it says something when Billy Graham is advocating the position for transparency in church charity finances and to remove tax-exemption for them.

edit: http://www.economist.com/node/180107...ry_id=18010759

Chuck Grassley is sponsoring a bill that would end religious tax exemption, should be interesting to see how it gets shut down.

Wow. So, there's some hope for the US? Damn, why hadn't I heard about those guys before? I was starting to think the whole country was populated by Christinne O'Donnel clones, seeing all these BG threads.

Are abortions even expensive?

Can be free, using the good ol' "coat hanger" method. You might bleed to death, but heh, that's life.

[ZarakiKujata]

Wow. So, there's some hope for the US? Damn, why hadn't I heard about those guys before? I was starting to think the whole country was populated by Christinne O'Donnel clones, seeing all these BG threadss

You've never heard of Billy Graham? He's America's #1 televangelist, has advised or been a confidant of every President going back to Harry Truman. Recently declassified stuff over the last decade has had him and Nixon making a number of anti-semitic remarks to eachother. Basically there would be no Christine O'Donnells if not for scum like Billy Graham getting rich off their ignorance. Making his charities have to file proper secular financial information is probably the one best things that can really be said about the man.

As for Messr. Grassley, he's been in the Senate for 30 years, so it's not like he's exactly a white lamb either. Outside of this crusade of his against televangelists he's largely the typical midwestern Republican who is anti environment, anti-abortion, anti-Healthcare reform etc. I guess the one other good thing that can be said about the guy is that he suggested the executives at AIG kill themselves in the manner of Japanese samurai to repay their fuck ups that lead to the crash of 2008.

[Ashmada]

Oh. So, it's an internal feud between assholes exploiting idiots (tele-evangelists) vs generic bigots, then.
Guess there's no hope.

[Caiyuo]

And there is still nothing wrong with the statute in my eyes, aside from ambiguity.

what the fuck? has half this thread not been about making the point that ambiguity is the purpose?

Btw, even though I'm against govt funded abortions because of the possible abuse... I'm not against social programs like welfare/medicare/social security. For every few people I see that abuse that system theres a handful out there that barely get by on that help alone. I think it should be better regulated/monitored and there are things that could be cut from it, but scratched completely? No way.

Weird right?

and again, what the fuck?

[Melena]

Wow. So, there's some hope for the US? Damn, why hadn't I heard about those guys before? I was starting to think the whole country was populated by Christinne O'Donnel clones, seeing all these BG threads.



Can be free, using the good ol' "coat hanger" method. You might bleed to death, but heh, that's life.

That good old free method could spawn vengeful hellspawns if it fails though! http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Ha...?trkid=2361637

[Lucavi]

Cadillacs was never true.

Its true in Baltimore and Edgewood. Don't talk like you know what goes on everywhere, living up in CT. I've got tons of family in Baltimore and they all complain about the same thing; guys leasing Escalades while living in a non-furnished row-home just for the image.

Just because something "sounds" ugly, doesn't make it untrue. Take a stroll down Roland Park Avenue or Green Street and see for yourself.

Now, back to everyone's regularly scheduled troll-wars with Swamp.

[archibaldcrane]

Its true in Baltimore and Edgewood. Don't talk like you know what goes on everywhere, living up in CT. I've got tons of family in Baltimore and they all complain about the same thing; guys leasing Escalades while living in a non-furnished row-home just for the image.

Just because they live in a shit neighborhood doesn't mean they're on welfare.

[Lucavi]

No no no no, many of these guys are on Welfare. Again, if you aren't there, you don't know. If you don't have family that talks to them and lives around them and has kids that go to school with theirs, you don't know.

I know everyone here thinks they're the smartest people in the world and understands everything that goes on everywhere, but just stop.

[archibaldcrane]

No no no no

Did I say something wrong? Pretty sure what I said is 100% correct. Get butthurt more.

[archibaldcrane]

Anyway, the point is that no one is "living large" off welfare. You said it yourself - row houses with no furniture. Cadillacs and "welfare queens" is language used to give the incorrect assumption that people are living the high life off the government.

[ZarakiKujata]

Leasing a Cadillac is not the same fucking thing as buying a Cadillac, which is what the whole welfare queen myth has been fucking alleging for 30 years. There are no welfare queens sitting pretty getting 12+ different checks and there never have been. Leasing a Cadillac does not mean that there is fraud it most likely means that said poor person in said rowhouse is an irresponsible moron with their money , going back to my point with Rent-A-Center's, skimming some money off a welfare check is not fucking hard you just don't eat. Accruing a lump sum of 60-70k on welfare to buy a new Escalade with straight cash is. Going back to what archi is saying, if you live in a shitty row house and have no furniture, its pretty fucking obvious that yeah there is no large scale fraud if at all going on, and that the majority if not all of the check is going to keep the repo man away from your leased car, and you are not defrauding the federal government out of hundreds of thousands of fucking dollars.

And I mean your whole point is kind of mooted, anybody can say shit like that anecdotally. OTH there is evidence supporting the claim that the whole welfare queen nonsense is a myth. I guess its just my fault that when I go to East Hartford, Bridgeport or Willimantic (certainly has the drug usage of Baltimore) that are just as shitty as Baltimore (outside of the murder rate), I guess its my fault for not looking hard enough for the welfare Escalades. Same for when I go visit my family in the Bronx?

edit: to work in what archi was talking about too.

[Ashmada]

Technically, you* aren't there either. Hearsay isn't the best argument one can make.


Though I fail to see how welfare people having a poor taste in cars (you can get a series 5 cheaper than those fatties) and bad priorities have to do with a bill that, in some deliberately vague terminology, aims at reducing aid given to rape vticims.

*"you"=Lucavi

[archibaldcrane]

Leasing a Cadillac is not the same fucking thing as buying a Cadillac, which is what the whole welfare queen myth has been fucking alleging for 30 years. There are no welfare queens sitting pretty getting 12+ different checks and there never have been. Leasing a Cadillac does not mean that there is fraud it most likely means that said poor person in said rowhouse is an irresponsible moron with their money , going back to my point with Rent-A-Center's, skimming some money off a welfare check is not fucking hard you just don't eat.

Or you deal on the side.