GOP: Raped? Pay for it yourself.

[Lucavi]

Anyway, the point is that no one is "living large" off welfare. You said it yourself - row houses with no furniture. Cadillacs and "welfare queens" is language used to give the incorrect assumption that people are living the high life off the government.

It can be, but it can also be that idiots have terrible priorities, and its not really restricted to any particular wealth level; there's quite a few families down the street in the suburbs here that bought the $550k homes in '07, but barely have any furnishings in them. Go figure the place is nearly a ghost town today.

@Zaraki: I never said there were welfare queens sitting on 12 checks. I said there were plenty of idiots in the ghetto rolling around in Cadillacs, when they don't even own them, and have no furnishings in their homes in order to keep up with the payments. You also don't have to "look" anywhere to see them; they're everywhere. You'd honestly be surprised how many Escallades there are in Baltimore.

@Ashmada: It has nothing to do with the bill whatsoever; it was just a silly statement to make.

[ZarakiKujata]

Or that yeah.

edit: Then what teh fuck are you even arguing about, the whole point of us talking about the welfare queen cadillac was that there is no fraud going on. And what you are saying is that there is no fraud going on, just people being stupid with how they spend the welfare check.

It seems like you are bitching more about people who don't know how to manage money, so they get a mortgage for an overpriced half million dollar home they can't furnish (these people aren't on welfare to begin with, whats the point of this? And if they are, they didn't defraud anybody, its the fault of the retarded brokerage that approved an ARM for a family that can't afford it) or lease an Escalade instead of having furniture

[ZarakiKujata]

Though I fail to see how welfare people having a poor taste in cars (you can get a series 5 cheaper than those fatties) and bad priorities have to do with a bill that, in some deliberately vague terminology, aims at reducing aid given to rape vticims.

It's tangentially related because someone made the argument that a broad definition of rape is gonna lead to widespread fraud as in the case of people on welfare defrauding the government and owning Escalades.

[Lucavi]

Or that yeah.

edit: Then what teh fuck are you even arguing about, the whole point of us talking about the welfare queen cadillac was that there is no fraud going on. And what you are saying is that there is no fraud going on, just people being stupid with how they spend the welfare check.

It seems like you are bitching more about people who don't know how to manage money, so they get a mortgage for an overpriced half million dollar home they can't furnish (these people aren't on welfare to begin with, whats the point of this? And if they are, they didn't defraud anybody, its the fault of the retarded brokerage that approved an ARM for a family that can't afford it) or lease an Escalade instead of having furniture

I never said there was fraud, so yeah, I'm agreeing with you. The only reason I said anything was to "inform" you that there's a bit of truth in every stereotype; in this case, there are plenty of stupid nigras pissing what precious little money they have away on things they can't afford; its just they got slammed for it much more than non-nigras, who blew it on multiple houses, ect. And yes, some of them are on Welfare. The last part is the only important part, since you said that it was "untrue" about welfare had Escalades. There's no fraud, but a few of the idiots on welfare have Escalades.

[Ashmada]

It's tangentially related because someone made the argument that a broad definition of rape is gonna lead to widespread fraud as in the case of people on welfare defrauding the government and owning Escalades.

Yeah, I followed the process to get there, my point was that from derail to derail (with the help of a slippery slope fallacy, some hearsay and anecdotal evidence), the discussion has become quite unrelated to the main thread.

[Kurokikaze]

and again, what the fuck?

What was wrong with my comment? :O

[Caiyuo]

I never said there was fraud, so yeah, I'm agreeing with you. The only reason I said anything was to "inform" you that there's a bit of truth in every stereotype; in this case, there are plenty of stupid nigras pissing what precious little money they have away on things they can't afford; its just they got slammed for it much more than non-nigras, who blew it on multiple houses, ect. And yes, some of them are on Welfare. The last part is the only important part, since you said that it was "untrue" about welfare had Escalades. There's no fraud, but a few of the idiots on welfare have Escalades.

Oh I'm glad you thought best to interject your opinion to make the point that "no people actually have cadillacs, I've seen them" for the sake of not actually having anything to do with Zaraki's argument.

THIS LOGIC FEELS COLD ...AND UNFEELING.

What was wrong with my comment? :O

You said it yourself, it's "weird." I can see not being for government funded abortion because you disagree with the act, but saying because of the possible abuse and then going on to reason that you support social programs, specifically welfare, despite the opportunity for abuse because there are people who really need the help, is kind of fucking backwards.

[archibaldcrane]

You said it yourself, it's "weird." I can see not being for government funded abortion because you disagree with the act, but saying because of the possible abuse and then going on to reason that you support social programs, specifically welfare, despite the opportunity for abuse because there are people who really need the help, is kind of fucking backwards.

Well, that, and the obviousness that government funded abortions reduces the number of kids on welfare.

[ZarakiKujata]

Well, that, and the obviousness that government funded abortions reduces the number of kids on welfare.

Don't forget Steven Levitt says it reduces criminals as well. A certain subset of said criminals would obviously be rapists themselves, thus preventing even more welfare kids and abortions. It's like a perpetual motion system that keeps reducing the # of poor people, criminals and abortions.

[miokomioko]

At least welfare doesn't kill babies... RITE?

[aurik]

What about when welfare babies grow up and become gangsters and start killing babies, what then?!

[Rhinox]

so much Butthurt in this thread.


btw while Welfare Queens was overstated by Reagan and Clintonistas they do in fact exist. I personally grew up on welfare and made the trip to the welfare office every few months for a years and I couldn't tell you the amount of people being dropped off on Cadillacs/Expeditions

[Rhinox]

Funny thing is they always dressed poor as if the workers there actually cared enough as to pay attention to clothing.

[miokomioko]

And thus, there must be free-abortion queens that are getting away with all kinds of unprotected sex and unborn baby killing and living lavishly in the meantime.

[ZarakiKujata]

so much Butthurt in this thread.


btw while Welfare Queens was overstated by Reagan and Clintonistas they do in fact exist. I personally grew up on welfare and made the trip to the welfare office every few months for a years and I couldn't tell you the amount of people being dropped off on Cadillacs/Expeditions

Isn't this the same kind of conjecture Lucavi was using? Do you know these people weren't just dumb niggas leasing them shits? I find it honestly hard to believe theres that many people who own $60k cars and are living in row houses.

Spoiler: show

and aren't selling that crack rock

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Isn't this the same kind of conjecture Lucavi was using? Do you know these people weren't just dumb niggas leasing them shits? I find it honestly hard to believe theres that many people who own $60k cars and are living in row houses.

Spoiler: show

and aren't selling that crack rock

Someone did a study, and depending on the state, a family of either 3 or 4, can't remember which, making minimum wage has more disposable income than a family of 3 or 4 making 60k. Maybe that's how.

[Rhinox]

Isn't this the same kind of conjecture Lucavi was using? Do you know these people weren't just dumb niggas leasing them shits? I find it honestly hard to believe theres that many people who own $60k cars and are living in row houses.

Spoiler: show

and aren't selling that crack rock

Sure it was and he was right to use it. Just because you get butt hurt over the fact that people criticize poor people (mainly blacks although many Hispanics are guilty of this too) doesn't make his argument any less valid.

I never said they owned the cars you drew that conclusion but you make it seem like leasing a Cadillac is ok while you're on welfare. If you can afford the payments to pay the lease guess what?

Spoiler: show

you shouldn't be on welfare

[Demosthenes11]

Someone did a study, and depending on the state, a family of either 3 or 4, can't remember which, making minimum wage has more disposable income than a family of 3 or 4 making 60k. Maybe that's how.

rofl

[Rhinox]

I believe it.

Mainly because its more then likely the Minimum wage family doesn't have to pay for food if they're on welfare or housing if they're on section 8 housing while the other family has a house payment car loans food etc etc.

Does that make people prefer to be ghetto fabulous? absolutely not.

[Kurokikaze]

Yeaaaah I think we all came to the conclusion that the study was total bullshit. If given the opportunity to live at 60k/yr or min. wage and welfare; you choose 60k/yr in a heartbeat. Don't get it twisted.

Unfortunately either one that you pick you're still considered "the working poor".