GOP: Raped? Pay for it yourself.

[miokomioko]

Someone dropped something in your drink, and you were raped because of it? You're shit out of luck.

See, I don't think that would necessarily be the case. I think drugging someone would easily count as force and that Examiner article is making some assumptions about "date rape drug" victims not being covered under this bill. Have they defined what the fuck "actual force" means? I don't see them saying "physical" unless I missed it somewhere.

All in all, yeah, it's a shady way of trying to cut back on abortions in a rather blatently-titled bill... but I think there's some benefit to it outside the realm of unwanted pregnancies because of how loose the term rape has become which opens up a lot of doors for abusing the free care and severe punishments that come attached to the dirty word.

Two siblings humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape." One person being of legal age and the other being a minor shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape." Two intoxicated people humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape" if the woman feels like it. I think there should be "actual force" involved to be labeled as such... whether it be physical, drug-related, or psychological persuasion/threatening/etc. "Force" should be the vague term that gets questioned here, not "rape."

[BardonGaruda]

The way I read it is this:

Before HR3

You got raped, you're entitled to a state funded abortion.

After HR3

1) You got raped forcefully, you're entitled to a state funded abortion.

2) You're a victim of statutory rape, a victim of incest, victim of drugged rape; you're NOT entitled to state funded abortion.

[Demosthenes11]

See, I don't think that would necessarily be the case. I think drugging someone would easily count as force and that Examiner article is making some assumptions about "date rape drug" victims not being covered under this bill. Have they defined what the fuck "actual force" means? I don't see them saying "physical" unless I missed it somewhere.

All in all, yeah, it's a shady way of trying to cut back on abortions in a rather blatently-titled bill... but I think there's some benefit to it outside the realm of unwanted pregnancies because of how loose the term rape has become which opens up a lot of doors for abusing the free care and severe punishments that come attached to the dirty word.

Two siblings humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape." One person being of legal age and the other being a minor shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape." Two intoxicated people humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape" if the woman feels like it. I think there should be "actual force" involved to be labeled as such... whether it be physical, drug-related, or psychological persuasion/threatening/etc. "Force" should be the vague term that gets questioned here, not "rape."

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is the GOP really trolling everybody this easily? "it's ambiguous, I wish they would fix the language - probably an oversight"

[archibaldcrane]

Two intoxicated people humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape" if the woman feels like it.

And what if she doesn't feel like it, but is too drunk to put up a fight?

[ZarakiKujata]

Two intoxicated people humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape" if the woman feels like it.

Uhhhhhh pretty sure this is why nothing happens with most instances of rape in college.

[aurik]

The question is why did the GOP decide to "fix" the language in the first place when the Hyde amendment is perfectly serviceable.
(The answer: Archi already said it)

[ZarakiKujata]

And what if she doesn't feel like it, but is too drunk to put up a fight?

fucking samemind. Guess thats why we were such a high % match on okcupid.

[archibaldcrane]

The way I read it is this:

Before HR3

You got raped, you're entitled to a state funded abortion.

After HR3

1) You got raped forcefully, you're entitled to a state funded abortion.

2) You're a victim of statutory rape, a victim of not-forceful incest who is not a minor, victim of drugged rape; you're NOT entitled to state funded abortion.

Bold for correctness, italicized for grey area. Point is, there should be no grey area, and the bold is just...being petty and stupid.

shit italicized doesn't work in quotes - i italicized "victim of drugged rape"

[aurik]

Don't forget the incompetent, those don't get blood money anymore either.

[Demosthenes11]

Don't forget the incompetent, those don't get blood money anymore either.

debbie downs probably wanted to have sex and just wants to suck the system dry

[Stumblingdrunk]

Well, if we get a lot of incest babies out of this, they might be retarded enough to continue to vote for the GOP.

I see their plan, and I don't like it.

I'll admit, this was pretty good

[miokomioko]

Two intoxicated people humping shouldn't automatically qualify as "rape" if the woman feels like it.

I worded that one poorly. I meant after the fact, an individual shouldn't just be able to arbitrarily decide whether or not something was "rape" because they regret their previous intoxicated + mutually consentual sex because they got pregnant... all as a means to avoid paying out-of-pocket for their own (mutual?) mistake.

Again, I specified that the question of whether force (in all its various forms and definitions) was involved in each individual case should be the focus for defining rape instead of allowing for abuse of free care to those who simply made fucking stupid decisions and want to get their bastard child aborted FOR FREE.

[ZarakiKujata]

The decision to fuck shouldn't be reached while heavily intoxicated in the first place.

[bigrougabagel]

The decision to fuck shouldn't be reached while heavily intoxicated in the first place.

you just eliminated the only means by which many people can bone.

[Demosthenes11]

I worded that one poorly. I meant after the fact, an individual shouldn't just be able to arbitrarily decide whether or not something was "rape" because they regret their previous intoxicated + mutually consentual sex because they got pregnant... all as a means to avoid paying out-of-pocket for their own (mutual?) mistake.

Again, I specified that the question of whether force (in all its various forms and definitions) was involved in each individual case should be the focus for defining rape instead of allowing for abuse of free care to those who simply made fucking stupid decisions and want to get their bastard child aborted FOR FREE.

because a few people might screw the system means nobody can get the help they need?

[Demosthenes11]

what are you, republican?

[archibaldcrane]

I worded that one poorly. I meant after the fact, an individual shouldn't just be able to arbitrarily decide whether or not something was "rape" because they regret their previous intoxicated + mutually consentual sex because they got pregnant... all as a means to avoid paying out-of-pocket for their own (mutual?)

Are you saying that women shouldn't be a lie away from a government-funded abortion? If so (and that seems to be what you are saying) - what additional evidence beyond her word should be required?

[SilverBreeze]

There are people who would abuse it yes, but I would rather someone get a free ride here and there than to deny help to someone who actually needs it.

[ZarakiKujata]

There are people who would abuse it yes, but I would rather someone get a free ride here and there than to deny help to someone who actually needs it.

Don't you know there are worse things then having to have a baby? I mean these girls live in America and everything!

[BardonGaruda]

Are you saying that women shouldn't be a lie away from a government-funded abortion? If so (and that seems to be what you are saying) - what additional evidence beyond her word should be required?

I'm sure someone was going to reply poidh to that.

Seriously though, as Silverbreeze said, much better to be open to possible abuse than to deny aid to someone who has gone through the most traumatic ordeal in their life.