Random Question Thread XIX: Welcome to Flavor Country

[Taera]

Playing for five years, you must have known the answers to all of those questions.

I just came back about a month or 2 ago after a 3 year break.

[Radec]

Another question about abyssea lights:
I have managed to get pearl lights out of ephmeral clionid in La theine plateu by having it die from DoT. I tried this same on eph. murex in misareux and it gave me azure instead.
How does the light from DoTs work? Anybody know the specifics of it?

If the killing DoT is from Bio, it will result in pearl and if the mob dies from e.g. Burn, it will give azure? Yes/no?

Both dot kills should give pearl, are you sure you didn't kill it with the damage from Bio? I've always got stuff to low and hit w/ choke/burn/shock/poison2 and melee'd it down to avoid accidental bio damage kills.

[Ocara]

Yup, the "BG Elite" dismissed it because "SE doesnt use patterns you're seeing things", and yet, here we are...with a clear as day pattern, and when that information came out, they started backpedaling saying "well that wasn't exactly what you said so shut up kill yourself", because an initial observation was clearly my factual proof of how grellow worked.

as far as anecdotal experience, or whatever the fuck you're going on about here, having gone through 9 Empryian weapons and so much AF3+2 items that were trashing them to mules mannequins, I've been through enough experiences to say that the !! spell/ws will not load up a discernment message, ever. There have been plenty of times where we've gone through all our spells for grellow, had everyone check their logs for messages, "well, I didnt get msg on XXX, but I'm sure it was clean, I saw 3 other ppl cast it too"...and low and behold, that spell that "looked clean but no message and was casted 3 other times" was the trigger.


I'm willing to bet this is falling back to original grellow days..."My Heqet was weak to Thunder3 on Watersday I swear to god it was no other spell, it was Thunder 3, definitely Thunder 3".

I was saying without actually testing it in a controlled way you're as bad as the people swearing they got thunder on watersday because you're basing it off uncontrolled data and 'experience' (regardless of sample size). This should be easy enough to test with t1/t2 abyssea vnms and red weakness (find weakness, then trigger on mob ws/casting a bunch and see if discern ever procs), so I'll do tests on this either today or this weekend unless someone else wants to jump on it.

[Yugl]

Parse whatever you find (And SS if possible) so we can link it in the Math section please.

[Byrthnoth]

I'll pick another Discernment debate. Can Sunburst ever trigger !! if Discernment says "Dark WS?" I have procced a shitton of NMs (on WAR) and never seen this.

[Ocara]

Parse whatever you find (And SS if possible) so we can link it in the Math section please.

Ok. What's a good sample size for this? Do we have a discernment proc %?

[TheDirtyHobo]

I don't know about you, but I spend 50% of my time overcuring.

How does that refute the point of wearing conserve MP gear? Just a quick hypothetical scenario, even giving everything I can in favor of auto-refresh, it's still coming up slightly behind.

Cast 100 cure spells in Serpentes, assuming they're all C5/C6. Every single one of those cure spells happens to be casting during a tic of refresh, netting you 100 mp during those 100 spells.

Cast 100 cure spells in Augur+Cobra boots (I think Lore Sabots can get augmented higher cMP, though?), assuming they're all C5/C6. With +3 cMP, 3 of those 100 'should' proc, with 28.125% average MP on a proc. Assuming they all happen to proc on a C5 instead of C6, and you're /sch to make the MP cost 122 instead of 135, 122 * .28125 = 34.3, floored to 34. 34 * 3 procs = 102 mp.

[Yugl]

Ok. What's a good sample size for this? Do we have a discernment proc %?

There is none thus far, but if you're not getting the message in 30-50 lands, I doubt you're going to see it ever. The number might not suffice depending on the normal proc% rate, but it's not so grand as to use your time doing more tests. Then again, the purpose of the test will dictate the extent to which you want to test it.

[Fievel]

I'll pick another Discernment debate. Can Sunburst ever trigger !! if Discernment says "Dark WS?" I have procced a shitton of NMs (on WAR) and never seen this.

Sunburst is considered light only for red proc

[Byrthnoth]

Sunburst is considered light only for red proc

A bunch of retards on FFXIAH would like a word with you, retroactive a few months:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/18...ness-question/

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

Sorry to intrude.

What would you recommend as a good mage solo class, or simply a good solo class in general? I'd like to run around and solo some NMs/missions that I could use gear from that I was never able to collect back before I quit (just resubbed after a break of several years), and I've discovered that I quite like the challenge of soloing things.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations.

[Taube]

Both dot kills should give pearl, are you sure you didn't kill it with the damage from Bio? I've always got stuff to low and hit w/ choke/burn/shock/poison2 and melee'd it down to avoid accidental bio damage kills.

Chat log said "Ephemeral murex falls to the ground" which would hint at the DoT finishing it. Guess I should try and test this... Not really keen on being able to use only bio2 for pearlescent on BLM...

[Byrthnoth]

Pearl is for kills that aren't the result of magic, physical WS, or magical WS. If you cast a spell on something at approximately the time it dies from DoT or being hit, you'll get azure even if your spell gives no damage. I've azured a murex before by casting Sleep on it right as it died from DoT.

[Niiro]

Sorry to intrude.

What would you recommend as a good mage solo class, or simply a good solo class in general? I'd like to run around and solo some NMs/missions that I could use gear from that I was never able to collect back before I quit (just resubbed after a break of several years), and I've discovered that I quite like the challenge of soloing things.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations.

RDM is still the most flexible for most solos, of course for older content stuff is much easier than it used to be and doesn't always require RDM's advantages but between T4s, fresh 2, and even more FC they've certainly not lost any ground and remain the most reliable for the tough stuff.

For melee solos NIN and DNC are at the head of the pack.

[Skeelo]

My wife just finished 80 Gandiva and now its on to Bukhis. Ive only fought this guy once and it was to get atma so dont remember much about him. Can Apocalyptic Ray be stunned consistantly? Or is it a Insta-ability? Same with Ruminious Scythe? Any suggestions to make this go smooth as possible?

[Rehn]

Apoc/ruinous have a decent charge up time so they can be stunned easily if stunner is on the ball.

Bring stacks of holy water, incase apoc ray goes off again after stunning it. Advise WHM. Tried 2 tanks front/back and it was a disaster when I did it; I prefer 1 tank only. Have only did Bukhis as NIN, so not sure how the other jobs would do. Seems to have capped/high acc, once did mambox2 + yonin and he didn't miss a single time (this was at Lv90), but I could be wrong.

Have done this for a friends bow as NIN WHM RDM/BLM, but another stunner would be awesome, along with TH of course.

[NynJa]

I was saying without actually testing it in a controlled way you're as bad as the people swearing they got thunder on watersday because you're basing it off uncontrolled data and 'experience' (regardless of sample size). This should be easy enough to test with t1/t2 abyssea vnms and red weakness (find weakness, then trigger on mob ws/casting a bunch and see if discern ever procs), so I'll do tests on this either today or this weekend unless someone else wants to jump on it.

288 doctmented AF3+2 pieces, even more AF3+1 pieces, 9 empyrians worth of red!! (+ more red!! from atma hunting and AF3+2 NM's that arent empyrian related) isnt sufficient.

[Michelob]

Fastcast and cure cast reduction gear can be applied pre-cast anyway, so that's a moot point. -enmity may have a point though, outside of abyssea.

While we both know this, there are two points you aren't addressing: first not everyone uses windower macros or spellcast and second (and more important) fastcast also applies to recast timer at a 2:1 rate. With the gear selection that was in question for that person, recast timers are hardly a moot point seeing as he was wearing 0 haste gear in his cure set.

[zagex]

Edit: saw some gear that can be improved on that http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/183265 gearset
Head: Anwig Salade (AGI+4 WSDMG+2% MAB+2)
Neck: Artemis' Medal, during full moon only. Only bother if you are using spellcast.

true.
I didn't factor either in because I don't use spellcast and I never bought the add on for the head piece.

[Spoony Bob]

Thinking of coming back to FFXI for a bit and have a few annoying questions.

Been away from the game for about 3 years. Are the first three mini-expansions needed for advancement now-a-days, or can they be skipped in favor of abyssea? And I thought I remembered reading something about level capped content having the caps removed.. Was that for all battlefields or just some? Or was I just imagining things?