Random Question Thread XIX: Welcome to Flavor Country

[TheDirtyHobo]

Hmmm really? I wasn't expecting that, I figured nin would be on top with dual wield pushing their hitrate ahead of mnk and far ahead on war. Is that because of ukko's damage being higher or more consistent than blade: hi or victory smite?

Ukko's probably has more room to spike than Hi or Smite, but as far as average WS damage, they should all be around the same ballpark with proper gear. WAR's insane WS rate is what puts them at the top, being able to pump out Ukko's every 6-10 seconds is hard to beat.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure NIN beats out MNK for the second best slot, they've got faster swing and TP speed, and gain a lot more from using Gnarled Horn for third atma.

[Anso]

Gotcha, ukon next it seems... Look out glavoid here I come! Thanks guys for the responses

[Anso]

Oh I guess that leads to another question. Haven't done war in a while, what's a good 5-hit look like nowadays?

[Kidnoftle]

Ukko's probably has more room to spike than Hi or Smite, but as far as average WS damage, they should all be around the same ballpark with proper gear. WAR's insane WS rate is what puts them at the top, being able to pump out Ukko's every 6-10 seconds is hard to beat.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure NIN beats out MNK for the second best slot, they've got faster swing and TP speed, and gain a lot more from using Gnarled Horn for third atma.

Except for VS avgs 500-1k higher than Hi. Hi's avgs arn't wtf amazing compared to VS/Ukkos. Fairly sure mnk stays ahead of nin based solely on counter dmg and higher avg ws numbers.

[Anso]

Except for VS avgs 500-1k higher than Hi. Hi's avgs arn't wtf amazing compared to VS/Ukkos. Fairly sure mnk stays ahead of nin based solely on counter dmg and higher avg ws numbers.

What are average ws numbers for ukko's and smite? I would say blade: hi averages about 3.5k with spikes as high as 6k and pathetically low dips, but those are rare. What does mnks delay end up being with optimal setup + haste? Also mnks counter rate ends up around 60% with atmas right? Really I am unsure about mnks DD capabilities when compared with nin as I don't have it leveled yet, I am in the process of doing so, and no one in my LS has mnk leveled or if they do they don't use it as I am always on nin and am also the only emp holder in the LS.

[Darkmagi]

Its Ukon > Kannagi > Vereth. Get the 3 and parse it on multiple things. Kannagi soundly beats vereth mnk Because the ninja holds hate more often ( capped hate hits mroe frequently ) But because of Ukon having an easy 5hit it almost impossible to keep up with. Ukon war is doing 30-40% more ws then kannagi nin in most fights.

Verethragna is stronger than Kannagi, parsing doesn't mean shit.
Also wtf at bolded stuff?

[lolwut]

Oh I guess that leads to another question. Haven't done war in a while, what's a good 5-hit look like nowadays?

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/37972 is a pretty solid set in Abyssea, there are minor tweaks that are made outside.

no one in my LS has mnk leveled or if they do they don't use it as I am always on nin and am also the only emp holder in the LS.

Why would that stop them from using Mnk?

[Fottiti]

Tribe is wrong as usual, its really best to ignore him. If you are playing with other melee then mnk and wars output will be affected but nin isn't really ahead before thats considered. When counter damage gets factored in mnk pulls ahead, by how much depends on the attack speed/pattern of what you are fighting. Smite also averages considerably higher than hi.

Edit: Smite is averaging higher when 3rd atma is gnarled horn on both jobs before someone tries to pick a hole in that.

[Anso]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/37972 is a pretty solid set in Abyssea, there are minor tweaks that are made outside.



Why would that stop them from using Mnk?

Because unless we need blue proc's my nin both outperforms our mnks and is better for KI's

[xerodok]

Its Ukon > Kannagi > Vereth. Get the 3 and parse it on multiple things. Kannagi soundly beats vereth mnk Because the ninja holds hate more often ( capped hate hits mroe frequently ) But because of Ukon having an easy 5hit it almost impossible to keep up with. Ukon war is doing 30-40% more ws then kannagi nin in most fights.

Capped hate has nothing to do with anything.

[Anso]

Capped hate has nothing to do with anything.

Eh it would if both a nin and mnk were on the mob at the same time, seeing as mnks damage output is largely effected by counter rate and the can't counter if the mob is swinging at the nin, but I wasn't asking about that

[xerodok]

Counters would only just increase the MNKs DPS over Kannagi.

[lolwut]

Because unless we need blue proc's my nin both outperforms our mnks and is better for KI's

Maybe I'm just assuming more people than you actually bring when you say LS. I just didn't get why people wouldn't come on top dd/secondary tank if the option was available after Whm+Blm+Blu+Nin+War+Thf were accounted for.

[Anso]

Maybe I'm just assuming more people than you actually bring when you say LS. I just didn't get why people wouldn't come on top dd/secondary tank if the option was available after Whm+Blm+Blu+Nin+War+Thf were accounted for.

We generally bring 5-6 and 3 of them are me. Nin whm blm war thf and either cor or rng depending on who is on, but that all varies.

[AzazaelFenrir]

with Estoqueur's Chappel +2 do I just need to start the enfeeble cast in it to get the -12% bonus, or keep it on start to finish?

[Radec]

with Estoqueur's Chappel +2 do I just need to start the enfeeble cast in it to get the -12% bonus, or keep it on start to finish?

Start only

[Bikpik]

I have a login password saved in POL, but I can't remember what it is, is it possible to retrieve it without calling SE to change it?

[Nemesio]

Every time I get to the character selection, I chose my character, it starts to download the data to throw me into Vana, then windower crashes. Happened on regular POL, and also did check file, as well as redownloaded windower. Any suggestions as to wtf is wrong?

(On Windows 7, if that matters)

[Radec]

I have a login password saved in POL, but I can't remember what it is, is it possible to retrieve it without calling SE to change it?

Keep it saved, change 1 character at a time until it works again. You'll definitely run into the automated lockout (if not raise some brute-forcing flags) doing this, and it'll take forever, so unless you really can't call SE, calling should be faster.

[cdgreg]

Any idea why my synergy level has never updated but everything else does on ffxiah.com/player?