Random Question Thread XIX: Welcome to Flavor Country

[Fend]

Doubt anyone would help. Maybe if you sell/split the currency between all of you there'd be some interest but there are easier ways to make gil.

And yeah, if you're gonna do a relic do something worthwhile.

I was thinking something along those lines re: splitting of currency, but again, it entirely depends on whoever is (or is not) interested and what works best for everyone involved.

My definition of "worthwhile" is clearly different from others who frequent these forums. It is something I'd like to do because it as a challenge that I began a long time ago and would like to see through to the end.

Thanks for not being a total {toolbag} unlike the previous poster. I appreciate the input sans the attitude.

[Gippo]

Aegis wont be shit with Life after abyssea. Your god mode wont last forever. I agree that the "sponsor" system is pretty much flawed at this point in the game, and that it will be difficult to get non retards to help you with your relic since most af2 is pretty terrible nowadays, but you havent seen brutal outside abyssea until you've seen a good geared pld with Almace & Lvl 90 Aegis.

People tend to forget that we needed plds before, and we will need them again.

It's not a dead job yet.

[Thorny]

Either DD or RDM could outtank PLD on anything before abyssea, and either DD or RDM will be able to outtank PLD on anything after abyssea. If monster is resistant to physical damage, you use the RDM. Otherwise, you use a well equipped DD.. SAM and MNK are both better defensively than PLD and will generate more hate through damage than PLD can with their abilities. PLD is garbage, period. The entire game's system would need an overhaul to make them practical again.

[Yugl]

Explain this to me: Before, we thought of noob shells relying on PLDs. However, recently, Obsedian (w/e his name is) and you have mentioned PLD has inferior defensive techniques (Do you distinguish between defensive, ones that account for damage in return, and survival, ones that simply let you live?) are inferior to SAM, MNK, and I think he even mentioned NIN. You might anticipate the question by now, but I'm wondering how PLD can be a crutch for noob shells and one of the worst tanks defensively. After all, I thought the reason they relied on PLDs was precisely because they could survive longer and make up for inferior DDs killing slow (Or make up for something along those lines).

[Calessa]

I'm hardly an expert, but I believe a large part of it has to do with PLD not actually being capable of retaining hate as well as any of the other jobs mentioned.

[rog]

Debate going on over at Allakhazam regarding the highest level supported by the client. I seem to recall a screenshot of someone who used memory editing (or something) to show a level 255/127 character. Am I imagining things?

What is the max level supported by the client?

Yes, and no.

It technically goes up to 255, but there are issues.

If you go over 127 then this happens, but only in the job change menu. If you go over 99, then this happens to jobs like drk.

Too lazy to reupload images, sosry

[Calessa]

Doesn't bother me, rog. I even pointed out on Alla that if you were still there, you'd probably have the answer in an instant. Appears I'm not completely off on that point. Thanks for the links.

[Scrooge]

Explain this to me: Before, we thought of noob shells relying on PLDs. However, recently, Obsedian (w/e his name is) and you have mentioned PLD has inferior defensive techniques (Do you distinguish between defensive, ones that account for damage in return, and survival, ones that simply let you live?) are inferior to SAM, MNK, and I think he even mentioned NIN. You might anticipate the question by now, but I'm wondering how PLD can be a crutch for noob shells and one of the worst tanks defensively. After all, I thought the reason they relied on PLDs was precisely because they could survive longer and make up for inferior DDs killing slow (Or make up for something along those lines).

Think of it like training wheels on your child's bike. If you've yet to learn how to ride correctly, they're useful. Once you're past that point... well, you're only holding yourself back by leaving them on. And looking like a moron at the same time.

EDIT (Don't necessarily agree that pld has worse defensive capabilities. Just totally unnecessary levels of them.)

[zagex]

Explain this to me: Before, we thought of noob shells relying on PLDs. However, recently, Obsedian (w/e his name is) and you have mentioned PLD has inferior defensive techniques (Do you distinguish between defensive, ones that account for damage in return, and survival, ones that simply let you live?) are inferior to SAM, MNK, and I think he even mentioned NIN. You might anticipate the question by now, but I'm wondering how PLD can be a crutch for noob shells and one of the worst tanks defensively. After all, I thought the reason they relied on PLDs was precisely because they could survive longer and make up for inferior DDs killing slow (Or make up for something along those lines).

The way I see it...
If the shell has badly geared DDs, they can't do good damage, and therefore can't produce/hold hate. It's easier for a badly geared Pld to produce hate, since they're relying on spells more than gear. So it's like training wheels as previously mentioned.
I mainly play mage/support, so I may be wrong about all this.

[Thorny]

DDs in shit shells dont have PDT/MDT sets. Simple.

[rog]

EDIT (Don't necessarily agree that pld has worse defensive capabilities. Just totally unnecessary levels of them.)

Mnk can probably beat pld there, at least in some/most situations. Sam most definitely can not, but as you said, tanks don't need very much to stay alive.

DDs in shit shells dont have PDT/MDT sets. Simple.

Pld can use pdt/mdt too. Not that it even matters, since more often than not, a whm can keep you alive regardless of what you do.

[evilpaul]

Yes, and no.

It technically goes up to 255, but there are issues.

If you go over 127 then this happens, but only in the job change menu. If you go over 99, then this happens to jobs like drk.

Too lazy to reupload images, sosry

Could just be lazy/inconsistent programming. Using signed 8bit integers for the MH display and unsigned or >8bit ints elsewhere? For the latter they could just give DRK the BST/PUP tiny letter treatment.

[rog]

Could just be lazy/inconsistent programming. Using signed 8bit integers for the MH display and unsigned or >8bit ints elsewhere? For the latter they could just give DRK the BST/PUP tiny letter treatment.

Yeah, it'd be easy to fix, and technically would work up to 255 as is.

[Yugl]

@ PLD stuff: Oh. The reason I bring it up is because I recall a huge discussion where people fought back and forth about SAM v PLD tanking for Ixion and the side that supported SAM even said PLD had better defensive capabilities (Or at least didn't argue against it). It just seemed odd that the same side would now say PLD's defensive mechanics are shit instead of saying that back then as well.

[Lyall]

Well, no, actually, that is an incorrect assessment of the situation - I asked if anyone would be interested in giving me a hand in exchange for to-be-determined compensation such that both parties equally benefit. Of course, I realize you are not interested in the reality of the situation and simply want to jump on the flaming bandwagon, else you would not have employed the intellectually fortuitous "lol" prefix in an attempt to belittle the initial request.

A thesaurus and feigned intellectual conversation aside, you came to a random question thread and asked people to farm you a relic for an undecided compensation. That's asking to basically employ people, which as far as I know means you came here only to ask for people to get you an outdated relic. Considering every single one of your posts on this forum (or at least on this account, since I'm not entirely sure you're not a troll yourself) has been about this and your Feb 2011 join date, my statement was correct.

You came here to ask people to be compensated for farming you a relic. Sorry if you haven't come to terms with it, but I can direct you to a Butthurt support group if you phrase it verbosely for me.

@ PLD stuff: Oh. The reason I bring it up is because I recall a huge discussion where people fought back and forth about SAM v PLD tanking for Ixion and the side that supported SAM even said PLD had better defensive capabilities (Or at least didn't argue against it). It just seemed odd that the same side would now say PLD's defensive mechanics are shit instead of saying that back then as well.

Only thing I can think of regarding the "used to be good, now they are shit" opinion is that, depending on when the conversation about SAM v PLD was brought up offensive capability has expanded radically while Paladin's bag of tricks is still the same exact thing. Throwing around thousands of points of damage while Paladin still fiddles with Flash timers isn't a comparison anymore.

Granted, this doesn't cover the "Paladin was always shit" commentary. Fond memories might give paladin a little more credit than it might deserve, but things have changed, we all know this.

[Yugl]

Even at the time of the debate, SAM's offensive capabilities destroyed anything PLD could put out. It just seemed confusing that people would not say PLD's defensive tactics are inferior to a SAM's or a MNK's back then.

[gaira]

speeder/clipper fix in the works? if not i'll deal but damn i miss it already...

[Dathus]

If you make the DA sword it stacks in the offhand to DA with the main hand, right?

[Horcrux]

If you make the DA sword it stacks in the offhand to DA with the main hand, right?

Correct. Double Attack is Double Attack.

[Yugl]

Friend wants Fastcast > Evas > end in Haste for his spellcast. I assume that means tweaking delay casts, but I'm wondering if anyone has it for Ichi already.