Random Question Thread XIX: Welcome to Flavor Country

[Seol]

So you mean a static chance (+TH enhancement) is more likely when you have more opportunities for it occuring (+15% triple attack)? Never imagined that would happen!

Oh I'm sure 15% triple attack makes a difference when you are only SA/TA-ing, who would have thought?! or even imagined..

[octoblush]

So before the servers were taken offline I was pretty low on stones on both characters. When they eventually come back online will the stones accumulate from the time off? I know they do during maintenance and such, but this is a different case obviously.

[Aihree]

Stones accumulate from the date and time that you did the first Abyssea CS. A timestamp is a timestamp, whether the machines are shut down or not. This downtime means you will come back to a heck of a lot of stones.

[octoblush]

Stones accumulate from the date and time that you did the first Abyssea CS. A timestamp is a timestamp, whether the machines are shut down or not. This downtime means you will come back to a heck of a lot of stones.

thanks! it'll be nice to come back and not have to be like "sorry, can't do anything in abyssea, last stone +20 minutes left" for another month.

[Clerix]

Hellz Yeah. I'll have more than 600 stones now. I was getting worried that I might run out soon.

[Nemesio]

Theres a guy in my LS that constantly has 'No stones and 5 min till time out >.<' whenever someone asks for help. So it should be funny to hear his excuse now.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Theres a guy in my LS that constantly has 'No stones and 5 min till time out >.<' whenever someone asks for help. So it should be funny to hear his excuse now.

Bet you his excuse now is an earth quake hit japan.

[Zubuis]

How are people gearing towards charged whisker?

MAB > DEX > INT ?

or people going more with INT over DEX ?

or something completely different

Whats an Ideal build for Charged Whisker?

[Aihree]

From what I've read on other forums, DEX and INT seem to have identical benefits, so if a slot can be done with more int than dex, gear int, otherwise, gear dex. With MAB over both, usually. So MAB > {INT|DEX}.

[Atoreis]

From what I've read on other forums, DEX and INT seem to have identical benefits, so if a slot can be done with more int than dex, gear int, otherwise, gear dex. With MAB over both, usually. So MAB > {INT|DEX}.

If we talking about Burst Affinity (and we should since you always use Charged with BA during cleave) then 1int = 1dex is far from true.

1dex = 4.5*1*0.85*0.5*2 = ~3.8
1int = 1*2 = 2

Something like that http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/108018 should be best in abyssea (It was late when I did the math so something might be wrong but shouldnt) The only speculation I can see here is Morri body instead of Loki's but difference is probably so low that it would need a practical test (will do after serv up). Loki's will also definitely win with set bonus proc so I would left it on just for this probably :D

[Yugl]

Testing showed Teal Legs > AF3+2 legs. I assume it also applies to the body and possibly the back (Hecates) as well.

[Aihree]

I sit corrected! Just as an aside, would maat's be better than aias? Losing 1 dex, but adding 7 int. It seems like it should, but for some reason in the charged whisker posts I've been reading, which are obviously now considered suspect, maat's is never mentioned.

[Yugl]

Maats is superior.

[Atoreis]

Testing showed Teal Legs > AF3+2 legs. I assume it also applies to the body and possibly the back (Hecates) as well.

My testing showed that Loki's is superior to teal body by a lot (was doing about 5680 with teal and about 5740 with loki's) but this test was done with very poor method so I need to retest it but by pure math they are VERY close. I have no idea about avg INT of avg cleave mob but lets say its 70? I only have ss with my blu base stats with /nin and its 71 int 76 dex so i assume /rdm is about 71 int and 73dex. Going with that:

Dex with setup I posted (w/o legs slot)
73+54(equip)+40(cruor)+lets say 13 from spells=180
Int =71+10+40= 131
dex before multiplier but after BA = 180*0.5*0.85*2 = 153
dINT = 131-70=61
MAB(with avg for artemis 6MAB)= 31(equip)+25(tonic)+24(/rdm)+50(ultimate)=130

((92+153)*4.5+61*2)*2.3=~2815 - thats for set i posted w/o legs

With af3+2:
((92+159)*4.5+61*2)*2.3=~2877

With teal legs:
((92+153)*4.5+66*2)*2.33=~2876

Like I said very close and I prefer af3+2 because of +1%chance for set proc and they will also win while set proc.
It's good to point out that with more mab in other slot (like morri body in this set instead of loki's) teal legs will give less then with dex in other slot, so set I just calculated favors teal legs. Its also good to point out that on mithra with higher dex teal slops might be ahead of this 0.03%. Lets see body now.

Assuming af3+2 legs now and removing loki's dex will be 177
177*0.5*0.85*2= 150

W/o body
((92+150)*4.5+61*2)*2.3=2785

With loki's
((92+159)*4.5+61*2)*2.3=~2877

With Morri
((92+150)*4.5+69*2)*2.35=~2883

Teal Saio
((92+150)*4.5+67*2)*2.34=~2861

So Morri should slightly win but Teal should lose. Difference is also so small that I would rather lose that 20 dmg from some 5800 (those numbers are before elemental staff and elemental atmas bonueses) and have fun with higher spikes on set bonus proc

Back piece now. I will do it for both morri body and loki's body(already have numbers for nifty from previous calc)

Nifty with morri:
((92+150)*4.5+69*2)*2.35=~2883

Nifty with Loki's:
((92+159)*4.5+61*2)*2.3=~2877

Hecate with Morri:
((92+146)*4.5+69*2)*2.38=~2877

Hecate with loki's:
((92+155)*4.5+61*2)*2.33=~2874

So best set would be nifty+morri body+af3legs but they are all so close that even race can change which is slightly better or zone bous for example.

Assuming +30 stats zone bonus:

hecate,morri,teal:
((92+165)*4.5+104*2)*2.41=~3288

nifty,loki,af3+2:
((92+185)*4.5+91*2)*2.3=~3285

nifty,morri,af3+2:
((92+185)*4.5+99*2)*2.35=~3299

heca,morri,af3+2:
((92+185)*4.5+99*2)*2.38=~3295

heca,loki's,af3+2:
((92+185)*4.5+91*2)*2.33=~3286


And yes Maat's cap is better but I still need 3 jobs for it so I keep forgetting about it.

[Yugl]

Unless there is a randomizer for BLU magic spells (And there isn't), this is one area where math won't outdo empirical data. I tested INT v DEX using Spiral/Rajas and found Rajas to win. Curious, I tested Teal Slops v AF3+2 legs and found Teal to win. These tests were done on the *same* mob using Lion+Blinding Horn+Minikins+Sub RDM+Memento Mori+BA.

Edit: Different atmas is probably what is skewing the damage.

[Atoreis]

Edit: Different atmas is probably what is skewing the damage.

Yes exactly 3 Mab with only 85 mab is 3.5% increase and 3mab with 140mab (50ultimate 5 more from tonic over memento mori) is only 2.1% increace.
Anyway those numbers I posted are very close to real numbers and like I said they all are very close to each other and Im using af3+2 legs,nifty,loki's just because with so small differences set bonus proc make it win for me.

[Mojo]

For the sake of approximating pDIF values, what would be some good numbers for mob defense in various areas?

[mdkuser]

405

[DNAval]

So right before the earthquake I activated my third account I have 2 questions

I talked to Joachim and got a traverse stone is that the first cs? And will my stones start pilling up?

Mistake 3 questions

This mule will replace my second mule as whm ( second mule becomes tank job for stuff my taru can't HP handle )
I actually want this mule to be better equipped so can some tell me what's easy to get for a whm mule?

I'm going to hate doing that cure potency staff /sigh

[Byrthnoth]

So right before the earthquake I activated my third account I have 2 questions

I talked to Joachim and got a traverse stone is that the first cs? And will my stones start pilling up?

You need to go to a maw with your stone and then back to Joachim before you start accumulating stones I think.