The Dark Knight Rises

[Tyrath]

Never saw Memento. The combination of fanboy love of the movie itself, combined with the Martix fanboy love of Carrie-Anne Moss, and I could never muster enough give-a-shit to see it.

You should give it a try. It was a very different movie experience.

[Arcana]

The key to enjoying memento is getting it on VHS and watching it while you rewind it.

[Tyrath]

Or you could watch it from the beginning and get one of the most unique movie viewing experiences ever.

[Seraph]

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- I felt really bad for Commissioner Gordon. Everyone gets a happy ending, to a certain extent, except him. Would have been nice to see his family come back at the end. And who the fuck leaves Gotham to go to Cleveland?

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I don't completely agree. Gordon finds out in the end that his one sincere act of kindness toward a child in need was what help set in motion the events that would eventually save the city that he was so devoted to. In addition, that very person saved his own child so many years later, and the previous movie established that his children were the most important thing to him. I'm sure he is just grateful that they are safe.

[Bregor]

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I don't completely agree. Gordon finds out in the end that his one sincere act of kindness toward a child in need was what help set in motion the events that would eventually save the city that he was so devoted to. In addition, that very person saved his own child so many years later, and the previous movie established that his children were the most important thing to him. I'm sure he is just grateful that they are safe.

Yeah that's true, didn't think of it in that context. I feel better now, thanks!

[Ohemgee]

I posted several pages back why I hated it and thought it was horrible. The 2 ppl I went with pretty much laughed at it as well.

A lot of the people who "love" it were going to say they loved it after watching it whether or not it was a steaming pile or the 2nd coming of Jesus; they had their mind made up before even walking in the theater. If it were anything but Batman, people would have shit all over this.

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Anyone who is satisfied with how Talia or Bane were killed off should have his or her head checked. The actress who played Talia had literally the worst acted out death scene I've ever seen, and by God, I have seen my fair share of Lifetime movies thanks to my sister at holidays.

Bruce out in the open public post death?

You could tell Talia was a bad guy about 30 minutes too soon. Climax was WAY too easily expected.

Not only one, but TWO romance stories were entirely unbelievable and horrendously written.

Other than the initial Bane/Bat fight where the Bat got owned, the rest of the action scenes sucked.

The only +'s were the Bane backstory and Anne's ass.

Movie was complete shit.

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Umm. The whole set up at the end is actually perfectly executed if you paid attention to the movie rather than trying to pick it apart.

Alfred envisions him with a wife and kid across his view at the italian patio, Bruce takes note of that. Bruce becomes a billionaire to bum (Bruce Wayne is already irrelevant and his assets liquidated. Bruce has an identity wipe program and restarts his life with Anne Hathaway in Italy. Anne Hathaway couldn't leave Gotham because of her record (airport scene).

The payoff for this scene not only concludes the movie, but it also shows character resolutions for Alfred Bruce and Anne, its not the most remarkable or original scene, but its an effective way to end things for them.


I don't think the point of the movie was to be focused on Bane or Talia, rather than what is at stake for Gotham. You can't have a movie where there's nothing at stake and centralize that around the villain. Its the message not the action and its effective story telling for BRUCE WAYNE. I do agree the way Bane died was anti-climatic, but it was necessary because in essence, he was a pawn in a master plan (Ras*) and not the real villain. The Joker was a criminal mastermind, Bane was a general in an army.

*Liam Neeson's plan never went through, ok great, but the decision making process for Bane and Talia's character was to execute the plan of "destroying" Gotham. Bane wants to see the world burn. Talia wants to destroy Gotham in revenge for her fathers death. Its effective, simple, and to the point.

Talia's death scene was lack luster, but again, who cares how she dies? She's not a superhero. Watching lifetime movies doesn't make you an expert on love stories. They're subservient to the main plot

Seeing Anne hathaway's ass on an IMAX screen is worth it

[Angeleus]

Nolan is a god awful director, give me a camera and I could do so much better then that talentless fucker.

I think I just pee on my self... :/

[Hank]

I thought the first hour's pacing was bad, but I mostly saw it to see Bane fight Batman. I'm also a sucker for polite and matter-of-fact brutal villains.

[Jesifromgaruda]

When directors and writers fuck with the source material too much you get situations like this.

Bane not having venom was absolutely ridiculous. It could have been told in a realistic way. It could have been sold to the audience as a type of temporary steroid that made him strong. The mask feeding him opiates is just retarded. He could have just stuck a needle in his arm like normal junkies.

Also Heath Ledger dying made the Blackgate breakout not nearly as good. If the Joker had been involved, there could have been a couple of nice scenes of him causing chaos just like the scarecrow.

I did like the iconic scene where Bane breaks his back though. Bane beating the shit out of Batman was by far the best part of the movie.

Also by tying in Bane with Talia and making him her bitch ruined a big part of the movie for me. Bane is a tactical genius with superhuman strength.

They basically just reduced him to a pussywhipped bitch with no motivation other than to impress his woman. Fucking sad.

[TacoTaru]

I'm not sure if I'm watching Mersegi very blantaly whoosh this many people or if I'm the one getting the whooshing done to.

[Weltall]

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Umm. The whole set up at the end is actually perfectly executed if you paid attention to the movie rather than trying to pick it apart.

Alfred envisions him with a wife and kid across his view at the italian patio, Bruce takes note of that. Bruce becomes a billionaire to bum (Bruce Wayne is already irrelevant and his assets liquidated. Bruce has an identity wipe program and restarts his life with Anne Hathaway in Italy. Anne Hathaway couldn't leave Gotham because of her record (airport scene).

The payoff for this scene not only concludes the movie, but it also shows character resolutions for Alfred Bruce and Anne, its not the most remarkable or original scene, but its an effective way to end things for them.


I don't think the point of the movie was to be focused on Bane or Talia, rather than what is at stake for Gotham. You can't have a movie where there's nothing at stake and centralize that around the villain. Its the message not the action and its effective story telling for BRUCE WAYNE. I do agree the way Bane died was anti-climatic, but it was necessary because in essence, he was a pawn in a master plan (Ras*) and not the real villain. The Joker was a criminal mastermind, Bane was a general in an army.

*Liam Neeson's plan never went through, ok great, but the decision making process for Bane and Talia's character was to execute the plan of "destroying" Gotham. Bane wants to see the world burn. Talia wants to destroy Gotham in revenge for her fathers death. Its effective, simple, and to the point.

Talia's death scene was lack luster, but again, who cares how she dies? She's not a superhero. Watching lifetime movies doesn't make you an expert on love stories. They're subservient to the main plot

Seeing Anne hathaway's ass on an IMAX screen is worth it

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I went in wanting to love it; I wasn't there to pick it apart. The movie did that by itself.

Yes, I know Alfred envisions him yada yada yada. I did say I seen the movie, didn't I? I know he had an identity eraser, as I seen the movie. No one who was a billionaire "playboy" as seen by the tabloids and whose family and himself did so much for the world just becomes a nobody who isn't recognizable, period. It was atrocious writing.

The movie was focused on Gotham, as you thought it should be. This doesn't mean you can't have the villains be defeated in a decent way. Batman and Bane were meant to square off at the end, and Catwoman killed him with a lame as shit motorbike projectile; the motorbike was lame as fuck throughout the entire movie btw. Wait, there was that scene where you could see Anne's ass walking up to it, I guess.

You say Talia wasn't a superhero, but she did say she was trained by her father, and she could climb/jump across the pit as a little kid. I would say that puts her pretty high up there, or did you not watch this part of the movie? If training by Agul doesn't qualify her as a superhero type, then how are Batman and Bane in this category? lol....

[Tyrath]

I'm not sure if I'm watching Mersegi very blantaly whoosh this many people or if I'm the one getting the whooshing done to.

If he wasn't being sarcastic then I'm being super whooshed too lol

[Byrd]

Watched it this weekend. I enjoyed it quite a bit, although the last act definitely felt like a letdown.

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Basically, from the time Bane got killed (?) through the end of the film was meh at best, although the last couple of scenes were nice.The Talia thing was predictable; I figured out she was a villain when he saw her scar at the fireplace and it went unnoticed, and figured out she was Talia just a few minutes later. I'm a big Batman comic fan, but I think anyone not familiar with the comics could have seen that coming, just not necessarily her relationship to Ras... The Liam Neeson and Cillian Murphy cameos were a nice touch, and the Matthew Modine character seemed largely (completely?) unnecessary. Overall, I thought it was a worthy conclusion to the trilogy, just not as good as The Dark Knight and probably weaker than Batman Begins.

I didn't get the impression that Bruce Wayne was publicly known as Batman at the end of the film. Obviously, Gordon figured it out, but I didn't think it ever became public knowledge. I felt the speech at the house was considering him a hero because of how much he had done for the city from a philanthropic point of view, not in a superhero way, and they were honoring him for donating his home to the boys' home. I don't think it ever specifically addressed him as Batman; I think that's important if JGL was planning on continuing on with the cowl. At least that's how I read it.

[Arcana]

No one gives a shit about you when your broke. Batman also isn't really a superhero, any person with enough time/money can learn anything that batman can do, but no one can fly like Superman can.

[Delirium]

The Onion

HOLLYWOOD—Calling the last decade the most embarrassing of his 20-year-long acting career, Dark Knight Rises star Christian Bale expressed relief today that his days of "dressing up in a rubber suit and pretending to be a comic book super hero" are finally over. "There wasn't a moment I went to work that I didn't feel completely idiotic affecting that ridiculous, gravelly voice or wearing that absurd black makeup under my eyes," Bale told reporters, adding that every time he looked at himself in a mirror while dressed as Batman he felt like a complete moron. "Here I am hanging from ropes, throwing around what are essentially children’s toys at 'bad guys,' and then to make matters worse, I have to say things like, 'I believe in Harvey Dent.' The whole thing was mortifying." When asked what the most fulfilling moment of his acting career was, Bale mentioned any time he had to do flying splits during the dance scenes in Newsies.

(and yes, I know it is satire)

Film School Rejects - 11 Things That Didn't Work in the Dark Knight Rises

For The Dark Knight Rises to get a truly negative review it would have had to fail massively as both Batman and Nolan have earned a bit of leeway in the judgement department. Now that the film is screening in front of millions, the general consensus seems to be – it’s good! And then we hushedly whisper “but not great.”

[Weltall]

No one gives a shit about you when your broke. Batman also isn't really a superhero, any person with enough time/money can learn anything that batman can do, but no one can fly like Superman can.

You are still recognized as, "hey thats the dude with a billionaire dollars and lost it all. His last name is only one of the largest corporations in the entire world."'

I didn't call him a superhero to begin with; I responded to a quote that mentioned Talia not being a superhero.

Personally, I don't like any DC comic "heros", but I did love Batman Begins.

[Ohemgee]

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I went in wanting to love it; I wasn't there to pick it apart. The movie did that by itself.

Yes, I know Alfred envisions him yada yada yada. I did say I seen the movie, didn't I? I know he had an identity eraser, as I seen the movie. No one who was a billionaire "playboy" as seen by the tabloids and whose family and himself did so much for the world just becomes a nobody who isn't recognizable, period. It was atrocious writing.

The movie was focused on Gotham, as you thought it should be. This doesn't mean you can't have the villains be defeated in a decent way. Batman and Bane were meant to square off at the end, and Catwoman killed him with a lame as shit motorbike projectile; the motorbike was lame as fuck throughout the entire movie btw. Wait, there was that scene where you could see Anne's ass walking up to it, I guess.

You say Talia wasn't a superhero, but she did say she was trained by her father, and she could climb/jump across the pit as a little kid. I would say that puts her pretty high up there, or did you not watch this part of the movie? If training by Agul doesn't qualify her as a superhero type, then how are Batman and Bane in this category? lol....

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Well of course what would constitute a super hero/villain in the Nolanverse? Someone who receives the league of shadows training doesn't automatically make them a Ras or Bane -they're super natural like Bruce Wayne (Neesons best student). She isn't on the same level as Bane/Batman, yes, but in this movie she's characterized more towards a Joker-plot things out slowly-type rather than being what the movie will want to focus on (the supernatural).

The jump is actually rather interesting, of course Bruce Wayne will make it because its his story, but this is where the movie feels like its nodding its head towards the comics and how they dealt with the love child of an immortal. Talia isn't meant to be the action focus rather than a cog in the plot. In the end, its Batman's story. Its just like the Odyssey story development.

Yes Bruce Wayne erased his identity. But again they did mention in #1 or 2 that "you'll have to go 30 miles out of Gotham for people to not know who Bruce Wayne is". To me, him being out in the public made sense and I didn't have to suspend my belief in that a billionaire playboy can be hidden (who from the time he becomes a bum to the time where he appears in Italy may be years after the events)

I don't feel as strongly about Bane/Talia's death as you do, but I understand where you're coming from. I see it more as a story arc rather than how the Joker was developed.

Also, this is Christopher Nolan's batman. In case anyone says its not true to the comics (Joss Whedon says Fuck you)

[Bregor]

You are still recognized as, "hey thats the dude with a billionaire dollars and lost it all. His last name is only one of the largest corporations in the entire world."'

It's already been covered in the thread... he's good at appearing to be someone else, just tell people, "I look like Bruce Wayne? Oh I get that all the time" etc. Pretty sure Mark Zuckerberg could walk around rural Italy and not be recognized everywhere he went.

[Serra]

Michelle Obama goes to Target with a pair of sunglasses on and people don't recognize her. And she's not pretending to be someone else, so I think Bruce Wayne can do it just fine~

[Ohemgee]

Speaking of incognito. A Miami Dolphins player (Jared Odrik) tried to scalp tickets off of me