No class in WI as teachers protest union-busting governor

[archibaldcrane]

Want to see democracy under the new GOP?


This is how they've been doing things for the past couple months, rules and laws be damned.

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[guartz]

oh I see, so now public employees can't legally take collective action against the person who controls their wages.

oh wait, yes they can. That person is a democratically elected individual, they can take collective action and vote against him come next election. ;/

Wait, wait. No, you guys are angry because of the backhanded politics that's tied to public employee's wallets.

That can't be it, their public sector unions have been using 527s and other legal loopholes for backhand political plays for years now.

I just don't understand wha... *watches the protest on youtube* OH I GET IT. RAAAR! REPUBLICANS HATE OUR FREEDOMS! RAAWWR!

[Olo401]

^ tinyurl link doesn't seem to be linked right Archie.. goes to some page with construction videos from Qatar.

Also, thanks guartz I think you just lowered everyone's IQ by potato. Did you intend to mock or just ramble incoherently?

[Acturus]

^ tinyurl link doesn't seem to be linked right Archie.. goes to some page with construction videos from Qatar.

Sucks to be you. I got Amanda Seyfried.

[archibaldcrane]

Try this:

[aurik]

I am dumb as rocks

I agree.

[guartz]

^ tinyurl link doesn't seem to be linked right Archie.. goes to some page with construction videos from Qatar.

Also, thanks guartz I think you just lowered everyone's IQ by potato. Did you intend to mock or just ramble incoherently?

Which part confused you, Olo? The part where collective bargaining rights for pubic sector employees is unnecessary redundancy or the fact that the public unions are corrupt shills for the <strike>democrats<strike> other guys?

[Ksandra]

don't bother, he's being retarded and either didn't read the last 29 pages, or is pretending he didn't.

[aurik]

How is collective bargaining redundant? Because you can vote your "bosses" out of a job every 2-6 years? That's pretty retarded, but I won't say it's the most retarded thing you've said because you're good at saying retarded things.


Look guys, the 14th amendment and that whole equal protection thing is a crock and redundant. If we're concerned equality we can just vote for it!

[archibaldcrane]

It's amazing to me that there is not widespread violence or rioting/vandalism.

[aurik]

Speaking of the 14th amendment, denying workers the right to bargain collectively may be unconstitutional. I know in Canada it's been partially recognized as a right by the Supreme Court.

[archibaldcrane]

Guartz, the problem is that they never hinted they'd do this while campaigning, and now as soon as they got into power (on a different agenda) this is the first thing they're doing for purely political reasons - and they aren't even following their own rules and laws in terms of chamber proceedings and proper democracy.

You can think that public sector unions are worthless or redundant or whatever - that's pretty irrelevant when it comes to these lies and abuses of power. They have the votes, they don't have to shit on democracy to do what they want.

[archibaldcrane]

Speaking of the 14th amendment, denying workers the right to bargain collectively may be unconstitutional. I know in Canada it's been partially recognized as a right by the Supreme Court.

Nah. It would've been challenged long ago, states and the federal government have been stripping collective bargaining rights for years.

The only way this may be unconstitutional is if (ironically under Citizen's United) it's deemed that the purpose of union busting is to silence their freedom of speech (via campaign money) which is clearly the intent.

[Melena]

Wisconsin's capital is now locked down due to massive protests over the shit from last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/...pt=T1&iref=BN1

[archibaldcrane]

Wisconsin's capital is now illegally locked down for about the 12th time in the past month due to massive protests over the shit from last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/...pt=T1&iref=BN1

ftfy

[aurik]

Nah. It would've been challenged long ago, states and the federal government have been stripping collective bargaining rights for years.

The only way this may be unconstitutional is if (ironically under Citizen's United) it's deemed that the purpose of union busting is to silence their freedom of speech (via campaign money) which is clearly the intent.

You can theoretically construct the right to bargain collectively from the right to free association (1st amendment) and self-determination (declaration of independence), and of course everyone's favourite, the 9th amendment.

It's one thing if the state passed a law saying "we will fire all union workers / we will not negotiate with unions". If that's how the republicans want to run the state, that's peachy, they can run it into the ground for a few years and then get turfed for hashing things up so badly. But passing a law saying "your union is forbidden from bargaining collectively, also we retain the right to break strikes through legislation" is pretty dangerous.

I'm sure they'll still get 4/9 supreme court justices, no matter the argument. Go go dysfunction.

[Melena]

If I was a republican or big business, I'd be worried right now. With the way the economy is as well as the constant outsourcing of jobs, emotions were a powder keg and Wisconsin managed to light the fuse. I wonder if this will spread to other states now.

[guartz]

Guartz, the problem is that they never hinted they'd do this while campaigning, and now as soon as they got into power (on a different agenda) this is the first thing they're doing for purely political reasons - and they aren't even following their own rules and laws in terms of chamber proceedings and proper democracy.

You can think that public sector unions are worthless or redundant or whatever - that's pretty irrelevant when it comes to these lies and abuses of power. They have the votes, they don't have to shit on democracy to do what they want.

You say this like I haven't been madly ranting about our government since I got on these forums.

Next your gonna tell me that this surprises you Archi.

[guartz]

You can theoretically construct the right to bargain collectively from the right to free association (1st amendment) and self-determination (declaration of independence), and of course everyone's favourite, the 9th amendment.

It's one thing if the state passed a law saying "we will fire all union workers / we will not negotiate with unions". If that's how the republicans want to run the state, that's peachy, they can run it into the ground for a few years and then get turfed for hashing things up so badly. But passing a law saying "your union is forbidden from bargaining collectively, also we retain the right to break strikes through legislation" is pretty dangerous.

I'm sure they'll still get 4/9 supreme court justices, no matter the argument. Go go dysfunction.

Aurik, did your private school ever teach you the difference between 'public sector unions' and 'private sector unions' and the difference therein?

[friedfunk]

Listened to that Michael Moore interview on msnbc, that stat he brought up is crazy. The top 400 Americans have the same wealth as the bottom 155 million Americans, and it's getting worse by the year. How that happens in a democratic society is mindboggling, and totally unsustainable.