SUIKODEN!!! (No, not Suikoden 6, sorry :()

[Aero]

2 > 5 = 1 > 4 > 3. Im really surprised how many people seem to love S3; I could barely find myself wanting to play it. I recall quitting for a few months of playing it just because of the flip flopping in the story line. Up until you chose the fire champion I found the trinity story line weak and bland. I will admit though after that point it was a game worthy of the title Suikoden; but before that I couldnt stand it.

[tol]

I think 2>5>1>4>3 for myself.. I had a REALLY hard time getting into 3. I didn't really mind 4 all that much, it's definitely the ugly duckling of the series but I still enjoyed it.

I think for 2011, 5 is the perfect mix of graphics, playability, and great story that really captures the brilliance of the 2. If you're looking to jump into Suikoden series, 5 or 2 are my suggestions.

[Trichocyst]

I'd start with one if for no other reason than to set up two. Recruiting McDohl is worth the effort, ha.

[Darkdreamer]

My game glitched at the end of one about 4 screens from the last save crystal so I couldn't recuit McDohl.... I was pissed.

[Edelweiss]

LLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCC

Fixed.

[Kylewhataru]

Suikoden 3 on PS2 in probably my favorite JRPG ever. But... it's a JRPG. I used to be one of those people that had every single JRPG during the ps1/ps2 days but now I can't stand them.

[Kaylia]

I really loved 3, couldn't get into 1 &2, but that was mostly because I never tried them until way after 3, so hard to get into old games. I played 4 for a bit and it sucked. never tried 5, 'cause I figured the only thing I liked about 3 was the split storylines. I guess I should try it sometime though if I find it cheap.

Same deal here. I will probably finish 2 someday, but I started with 3 and loved it, and couldnt go back to the first 2 games after.

[Trichocyst]

I'd love to recommend I+II to more people simply because of the massive epic storyline, but considering that they weren't top of the line graphics for their time, it's hard to ask people to put on their nostalgia goggles and dive in. I remember Suikoden II especially getting a lot of complaints since it came out around the same time as Final Fantasy VIII.

[Julian]

When the original lead developer was there he stated that Yuber vs. Pesmerga will happen in the final entry in the series. If I'm not mistaken there's still what, like 8 or 9 True Runes to reveal first?

Soul Eater
Rune of the Beginning
True Fire/Wind/Water/Earth/Lightning
Sun Rune
Rune of Punishment
Moon Rune
Eightfold Rune
Circle Rune
That Rune that ancient civilization leader carried with him, can't remember now. Rune of Change?
Dragon Rune
Sovereign Rune
Gate Rune
. . . can't remember any more at the moment.

Beast & Night runes.

And the issue with Yuber/Pesmerga and Harmonia is that the original creator/writer/whatever of Suikoden left Konami about halfway through development of Suikoden 3.

[Trichocyst]

I know. Those things make me sad.

[Talint]

Suikoden 4 is the best Suikoden besides the original.

Suikoden 2 is pretty mediocre outside of anything Luca-related, and Suikoden 3 is quite the abortion. 5 is passable, but needs work.

[Tyrath]

Suikoden 4 is the best Suikoden besides the original.

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[Trichocyst]

I had a hard time getting into Suikoden Tierkries. I didn't like the look of it, the voice work. Just didn't feel like a Suikoden game. I might have to set up my PS1 emulator now. ;x

[Talint]

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The two biggest things people complain about in Suikoden 4 are The Sailing and The Plot.

The Sailing complaints hold absolutely no water at all. Holding R2 or whatever makes the ship sail fast. If that's not your cup of tea, the game gives you Viki and the Blinking Mirror pretty early on in, making transportation (as in most Suikoden games) and all subsequent complaints pretty moot.

The other is The Plot. Most people complain about Snowe, saying how much they didn't "like him". But the fact that the player hates Snowe shows how brilliant of a character he is, and most players can't differentiate a character that they "hate" from a character that is underdeveloped or a drag to the story as a whole. There's also complaints about Graham Cray as a villain, and his motivations, all of which seemed pretty clear to me -- (outside of the final boss, that tree only makes sense if you play Tactics.

The sad fact is, most of the individuals who complain about Suikoden 4's plot is that they would rather have the sappy, melodramatic mess of a plot that is Suikoden 3, rather than a straight-forward story that is Suikoden 4. It pulls no punches, and is a fantastic game for it. Players look to hate Suikoden 4, if for no other reason than it's not Suikoden 3; even though 4 is the most like the original game out of that entire series because of what it does well.

[Trichocyst]

I was actually enjoying the plot. The overworld movement was just way too clumsy for me, and yes I knew about the dash button. But saying Suikoden IV is better than II or V is just madness.

[Elcura]

Suikoden 4 is the best Suikoden besides the original.

Suikoden 2 is pretty mediocre outside of anything Luca-related, and Suikoden 3 is quite the abortion. 5 is passable, but needs work.

2/10

[Talint]

2/10

Cute, but my logic is sound.

[Julian]

My main issue with 4 really was the complete lack of character development and growth for most of the random stars you recruit.

Also, the strategist was very unmemorable, but maybe that's just me. :/

[Trichocyst]

It's not just you. Not even a little bit.

[Aero]

The two biggest things people complain about in Suikoden 4 are The Sailing and The Plot.

The Sailing complaints hold absolutely no water at all. Holding R2 or whatever makes the ship sail fast. If that's not your cup of tea, the game gives you Viki and the Blinking Mirror pretty early on in, making transportation (as in most Suikoden games) and all subsequent complaints pretty moot.

The other is The Plot. Most people complain about Snowe, saying how much they didn't "like him". But the fact that the player hates Snowe shows how brilliant of a character he is, and most players can't differentiate a character that they "hate" from a character that is underdeveloped or a drag to the story as a whole. There's also complaints about Graham Cray as a villain, and his motivations, all of which seemed pretty clear to me -- (outside of the final boss, that tree only makes sense if you play Tactics.

The sad fact is, most of the individuals who complain about Suikoden 4's plot is that they would rather have the sappy, melodramatic mess of a plot that is Suikoden 3, rather than a straight-forward story that is Suikoden 4. It pulls no punches, and is a fantastic game for it. Players look to hate Suikoden 4, if for no other reason than it's not Suikoden 3; even though 4 is the most like the original game out of that entire series because of what it does well.

This pretty much. If the plot of 4 didnt tie together as much as you would have liked; play Tactics as it is a continuation of the island nations plot.

Oh and the reason all the strategist blow is because Shu is a boss.