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[gametrader]

usally dont post just a lurker^-^ but had to bring this up I guess if you were stupid enough to make WoE Ga and H2H [ie me] you are just completely screwed? at least the real emps are still good weapons even with nerfed WS but the WoE weapons now gonna be useless??

[Karbuncle]

We wont know until we know how significant the Nerfs are.

It could be not that bad... But With how Decent Shijin Spiral is... with this nerf to VS, It may be that that weapon will become useless (WoE Version).

But we won't know for sure until the testing results come in. (If they haven't already, May have missed them)

[Foxer]

I wasn't crying.

Admittedly, Browsing the Official forums has made me less... aware... Of other peoples meanings. Everyone there would seriously be stupid enough to assume that.

Anyway, I've edited it to make it more clear. Now. Kindly blow me good gent.

Your English is so bad for trying as hard as you do. And, you can't take a joke.

[Foxer]

usally dont post just a lurker^-^ but had to bring this up I guess if you were stupid enough to make WoE Ga and H2H [ie me] you are just completely screwed? at least the real emps are still good weapons even with nerfed WS but the WoE weapons now gonna be useless??

This is what I was wondering. RF +2/3 were above most everything else by a large enough margin due to VS being so amazing. Seeing as that was the main reason, and H2H's only nerf was VS, I guess those weapons got it the worst. Same for Maschu +2/3.

Edit: I guess this makes Shijin Spiral that much better. : )

[Yugl]

Using your definition, replace self-sufficiency with greater efficiency, since we've already assumed both classes will have no tanking ability in your initial descriptions. You're then left with the job that can only deal damage and the job that has the ability to deal the same amount of damage and has additional self healing and hate shedding utility. Drg would still be a lesser burden on the requisite healer and tank for a equal damage return, barring the loss of the pet, if you balanced the damage of the two classes. War fundamentally needs to do more damage than other jobs in order to maintain it's viability.

It rarely favors multi task classes because they are rarely both multi task and best in class. Giving a multi task maximized ability in a single role elevates it above other classes in that role. In an Ein/old Dyna style mass kill event, Blu's with dd output equal to best in class could defeat their targets with greater efficiency than tank/dd/healer group while multi tasking. In a HNM style, they would be maximize their dd role self sufficiently while allowing the tank/healer combo to perform their functions without focusing on keeping them alive/buffed. They have both magical and physical damage, as well as multiple damage types and ranges along with their own debuffs, and can self sc/mb, so their utility should remain consistent across multiple types of battles. While there could still be niche uses for other classes, Blu would be the default damage class.

I think you need to reread the post because several counters you pose in this post are either immediately addressed (BLU portion), misunderstandings of the problem I pose (The Multi-task issue), or misrepresent what I have said (The tanking ability of DRG v other melees).

[Apelila]

Unfortunately, most people do not have that mindset and simply boil everything down to BEST DAMAGE = BEST JOB, no exceptions. I have had WARs tell me not keep my automaton out and on mobs because it 'gimps' my damage. I know quite a few primadonnas who are going to be very upset over this but I can't help but smile. These nerfs are not going to cripple these jobs and may finally provide some with a little humility (lol I know right...).

You're applying rationalization to idiots who lack the introspective capacity for humility. Hell, when the fuck has any job that's been nerfed by SE sat back and said "Oh, well that makes sense. I knew the job was too overpowered". For that matter when has any nerf by SE been subtle or tactful? Not trying to overly admonish you, just point out that hope for rationality might be in vain. Hell, if it is a bad nerf * everyone will just bandwagon onto whatever the hell else is the next most powerful job. Its happened with half the melee jobs in the game at this point, though I dont think any where as severe as the RNG nerf.

* yeah yeah its more an adjustment than anything. This is SE we're talking about, when have they ever been subtle about fucking up?

Edit oh fucking hell a page claim. So how about them Crazy new developers? Telling us what we can and cant do a year after the old team decided to let us have fun.

[Atoreis]

So they deleted 10+ page thread on official forum started by me about WAR nerf. Nice.....

[machiko]

So they deleted 10+ page thread on official forum started by me about WAR nerf. Nice.....

They deleted a lot of stuff once the admins logged on.

Sadly they are in full on ignore mode now, pretty much we know how it's gonna go from here on out.

[Julian]

It was a joke. -_-

Spoilers: italics usually means sarcasm.

And that's really sad that they're going back to ignore community mode. Not like they ever listened to anyone but JPs, anyway.

[Apelila]

I think its sad that they're being blatant about the non JP community ignore mode. In the past you could just attribute it to the developers dislike for language barrier interviews. Now that the forums are up its clear that the only function the nonJP forums serve is Allah 2.0 with FFXIAH level moderation. The heavy handed, inconsistent GM practices that we all came to fear being the unwitting victims of in the game are on parade, though the repercussions are less.

[Hirronimus]

I wonder what the JP:NA ration in this game today, I knew there were always more JPs than NAs, but never knew by how much.

[Foxer]

NA only? Prolly a lot. EN players VS. JP players is a different story though. I doubt they give a fuck about anything non-JP, not just NA.

[Hirronimus]

Yeah, pretty much non-JP is what I meant.

[Byrthnoth]

You can approximate it by looking at the graphs for JP and non-JP login times. I was estimating we're outnumbered at least 2:1.

[Septimus]

I think its sad that they're being blatant about the non JP community ignore mode. In the past you could just attribute it to the developers dislike for language barrier interviews. Now that the forums are up its clear that the only function the nonJP forums serve is Allah 2.0 with FFXIAH level moderation. The heavy handed, inconsistent GM practices that we all came to fear being the unwitting victims of in the game are on parade, though the repercussions are less.

If the hornets nest that they stirred up over the weapon skills is any indication, I think they are ignoring the JP community also. They just dug in their heels and are doing their best "we are 100% correct about everything in our unfailing wisdom and if you don't like it you must be a complete moron because everything is better when we do only what we want" mode. Kind of like CoP all over again.

[Lordender]

I just don't understand why people would continue to pay for a product where:

1. Hate the direction the game is heading in over the past 8 months by going back to the infamous grinds of old.
2. Getting ignored despite having very valid concerns, I.E not trolling with ridiculous accusations.
3. Find the content lackluster or borderline barely worth doing, or just completely frustrating in general.
4. Constant contradiction in the communication "We're not nerfing this or that" only to go back on it and say the dreaded word "Balance".

In times where skype and vent are the norm you can't honestly say with a straight face "I play for my friends." shit, I still talk to people over vent that haven't played XI since 2007 on a daily basis.

[Airenn]

This isn't completely relevant, but the subject is sorta on JP favoritism. I just came back recently and apparently they can trade multiple items to ??? pops.

Bah! Not exactly huge deal, but still eh. Apparently is has something to do with the JP client?

[Forte]

I got banned permanently from the forums. I am proud of this.

[Draginhikari]

I just don't understand why people would continue to pay for a product where:

1. Hate the direction the game is heading in over the past 8 months by going back to the infamous grinds of old.
2. Getting ignored despite having very valid concerns, I.E not trolling with ridiculous accusations.
3. Find the content lackluster or borderline barely worth doing, or just completely frustrating in general.
4. Constant contradiction in the communication "We're not nerfing this or that" only to go back on it and say the dreaded word "Balance".

In times where skype and vent are the norm you can't honestly say with a straight face "I play for my friends." shit, I still talk to people over vent that haven't played XI since 2007 on a daily basis.

Because your not going to find a specific reason. It's quite easy to say people shouldn't do this for this and this reason but it doesn't work that way on any given subject. People who are paying and playing are doing so, including myself, because we want to play the game or are not bothered by things enough to worry about it and just keep playing anyway..

For me I don't heavily think about it, I play this game pretty much knowing the game is going to disappear one day and mean nothing, just more of when then anything. SE hasn't really done anything at this point that has angered me enough to make me want to quit the game. Though I can think of a dozen or so times more the people playing wanted to make me quit more then SE does.

Your welcome to think it's stupid reasoning, but is what it is.

[Hirronimus]

I don't understand the point of balancing out weapons from 3 different categories (Relic, Mythic and Empyrean). Are they not supposed to be of different caliber based on the process in which they are obtained? Why not balance the weapons within each individual category instead? Also, the merited Weapon Skills, should be at least on par with Empyrean, rather than stronger than Relics or Mythics. How is it logical for something to be of equal if not better strength when it only takes several hours to get versus something that takes months (roughly speaking)?