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[Spira]

that is why I specifically qualified it as being good in and of itself.
Alexander isn't of any use solo, or in a party of other SMN. suffice it to say Alexander is generally the most useful, but only circumstantially so, which is similar to the case of Soul Voice. it doesn't directly deal damage. it just facilitates it.

but the argument for Astral Conduit is two-fold as well. not only is it the most effective direct damage source from an avatar 2hr, its also offers utility in the form of spamming ward pacts, which can be used concurrently with rage pacts.
You can't CS stun and nuke thunder at the same time effectively.. but you can with this 2hr. The number of avatars this duality is applicable to is rather limited, but its still particularly formidable.

in that sense, it really isn't incredibly underpowered. if anything, its really Perfect Defense that just happens to still be overpowered

[Byrthnoth]

I'd use the new SMN 2-hour when SMN burning Arch Omega or Ultima. It would really speed up the fight. This new 2-hour pretty much outdates Odin, though. It does a lot of damage consistently and doesn't depend on the monster's HP (or random resistance to Odin).

[pchan]

that is why I specifically qualified it as being good in and of itself.
Alexander isn't of any use solo, or in a party of other SMN. suffice it to say Alexander is generally the most useful, but only circumstantially so, which is similar to the case of Soul Voice. it doesn't directly deal damage. it just facilitates it.

but the argument for Astral Conduit is two-fold as well. not only is it the most effective direct damage source from an avatar 2hr, its also offers utility in the form of spamming ward pacts, which can be used concurrently with rage pacts.
You can't CS stun and nuke thunder at the same time effectively.. but you can with this 2hr. The number of avatars this duality is applicable to is rather limited, but its still particularly formidable.

in that sense, it really isn't incredibly underpowered. if anything, its really Perfect Defense that just happens to still be overpowered

It's motsly usless if you ask me. People bring SMN for perfect defense nowadays, usually several like ADL or LEGION. The damage output of 6 SMN is likely going to be superior to 6 DD during the 2H but after this fight what are you going to do ? It's the same issue as METEOR. At first everyone was seing it as a magical tool to kill tough mobs, well no it's not. All it does is increase the number of people you must bring to achieve what you want to do. Another issue is that SE is specifically disigning mobs to be killed with perfect defense (good luck killing ADL the normal way).

[Shenrien]

The damage output of 6 SMN is likely going to be superior to 6 DD during the 2H but after this fight what are you going to do ?

I didn't know DDs ws'd once every 45s when they have PD up.

[Taint]

disigning mobs to be killed with perfect defense (good luck killing ADL the normal way).

We've killed ADL without PD a few times....would be hard to 6man it that way, but 8-10 players don't need PD for ADL.

Legion we know can be done without PD.

The issue is PD is safer, faster and more efficient.

[Slycer]

Today's News from JP world:

1) Mog House Decoration Contest

Not even worth mentioning unless they officially bring it over to the NA side since we won't be able to enter otherwise. Basically they're asking people to decorate their mog house using one or more items from a list they provided, as well as whatever else you want. Post screenshot on forum, winners get prizes. They didn't announce an entry timeframe yet, I'm guessing we'll see a similar post on the NA side today, or else the contest probably isn't coming over here.


2) Kumi Tanioka/Nanaa Mihgo Live Stage Events for FF 25th Anniversary

Something about a live event happening on September 1 at 14:30 JST. Streamed online at:
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv105162726


3) Regarding the Mog House Decoration Contest

Not really necessary to translate, more details/corrections to the original post... won't mean anything unless this winds up coming over to the NA side anyway.


4) Regarding the Accrual of Legion Points

I have an important question about the way Legion Points are obtained. The items which you purchase for Legion Points cost 1,000 to 10,000 points; however, defeating the first enemy in the initial areas only provides 10 points. On the other hand, in Hall of Mul, defeating the first enemy yields 100 points. What I'm saying is that unless I get a group that can get through Hall of Mul successfully, I will not be able to get Legion Point items.

Plus, if you don't even clear in the first place, you basically can't purchase anything, so there is a huge differential between the groups that are able to fully clear halls and the ones that are not able to fully clear halls.

I think you should be able to get enough points for items by repeatedly clearing enemies in the first wave of the area. If you absolutely have to limit the purchase of certain items until after halls are cleared, the items that have stats valid only in Legion should not be on that list.

At the very least, the number of points from the first four halls should be closer to the points obtained in Hall of Mul.

If you kill the first three enemies in the four initial halls repeatedly, even though you will not be collecting many Legion Points, you will be able to repeat Hall of Mul several times later on. (It should be noted that the points obtained in Hall of Mul are higher because there is the condition that you need to collect the four medals first.)

Since there is really no end to Legion, the challenge is to get as far as you can in the given time. Since you get Legion Points from each kill, you can of course diligently save points across many runs, but it makes more sense to reward the achievements of groups that can progress further by giving larger amounts for each defeated monster. Therefore, what you're saying really is not an exaggeration and is meant to be the case.

Since this is high difficulty content, you may be struggling early on, and in some cases you still may not be rewarded as expected. However, because we do not want to change the general concept that progressing further increases the rewards, and we do not want to lower the difficulty of obtaining the rewards, you should focus on adjusting your strategy. (Part of this is utilizing the enchantment effect and Legion specific statistics on the available items.)

I think if you work hard with a good strategy, you will be more likely to achieve your goals.

[pchan]

We've killed ADL without PD a few times....would be hard to 6man it that way, but 8-10 players don't need PD for ADL.

Legion we know can be done without PD.

The issue is PD is safer, faster and more efficient.

Not sure what increasing to 10 players makes you say you can, unless you shocksquall it ? Even then the duration is not reliable and it will kill you : instant unstunnable breakga-silencega-aga4, olivion smash. Plus SS has a long charge time.

I'd like to see a proof od this at least, because this sounds like bullshit.

[Jem]

Not sure what increasing to 10 players makes you say you can, unless you shocksquall it ? Even then the duration is not reliable and it will kill you : instant unstunnable breakga-silencega-aga4, olivion smash. Plus SS has a long charge time.

I'd like to see a proof od this at least, because this sounds like bullshit.

It sounds doable to me but it's not foolproof as it's reliant on him being nice with what moves he uses.

[NynJa]

I'd like to see a proof od this at least, because this sounds like bullshit.

Why? You'd just reject the proof...

Why is everyone rejecting the second SMN 2hr? If the only problem with it is "well no one might use it cause that'll mean you cant use Alexander", that's not a flaw with the SMN 2hr. It offers a secondary role if you're doing something that doesnt require PD but SMN can actually contribute.

[Taint]

Not sure what increasing to 10 players makes you say you can, unless you shocksquall it ? Even then the duration is not reliable and it will kill you : instant unstunnable breakga-silencega-aga4, olivion smash. Plus SS has a long charge time.

I'd like to see a proof od this at least, because this sounds like bullshit.

lol....don't Pchan me.

Squalls and some luck is all it takes.

[pchan]

Thanks from proving you never did it. When it splits it does its aoe silence damage para that will kill you and shock squall won't change it.

[Darkmagi]

Possible with luck, but I would never rely on a kill without PD. Too much potential gil wasted just for the sake of doing it.

[Jem]

Thanks from proving you never did it. When it splits it does its aoe silence damage para that will kill you and shock squall won't change it.

It isn't guaranteed to use any particular move after splitting. It could use something survivable or it could use something that wipes you. That's the luck part. It's possible, just not with a decent success rate.

[Taint]

Thanks from proving you never did it. When it splits it does its aoe silence damage para that will kill you and shock squall won't change it.

Just stop. I've done it.

We squall split whether even when we use PD....its not hard to stun a move you know is coming. 2nd person squalls the second he moves. Its dead before that squall wears.

Hell no it's not reliable, but its been done.


Edit: remember all the people that said you couldn't kill ADL with 6 and how you argued and called them fools. You are the fool this time around.

[Taint]

Possible with luck, but I would never rely on a kill without PD. Too much potential gil wasted just for the sake of doing it.

We only attempt it after a failed COR 2hr. Wasted time more then wasted gil.

[pchan]

We squall split whether even when we use PD....its not hard to stun a move you know is coming. 2nd person squalls the second he moves. Its dead before that squall wears.

You are full of shit ; you can't stun at will because schock squall has a charging time and all of his spells are instant, and also because you never know when it will wear off (no wear off message and random duration), so it's going to breakga/silencega/aga 3 or 4 you before you can even say oshit. Secondly, when it split it uses oblivion smash x2 (or even worse : violent rupture) which is unstunnable because the initial adl depops then 2 copies pops and use the move instantly so yeah come back when you actually know your shit (also a double oblivion smash is going to wipe you instanly ).

[Yukari]

They could, but it would hardly be any different.
Nothing out of I and III are really worth spamming.
You'd pretty much get 3 "maybe" stuns ala Violent Flourish from I, and the only worthwhile use of III is Climactic for critting Rudras, which one use = a bunch of hits anyways.

Ideally, with infinite flourish usage, you'd keep Climactic up for crits, spamming Reverse. MAYBE Building, not sure if it'd be worth the little delay.
But pretty much...MOST OF OUR FLOURISHES SUCK. :3

Couldn't you use Climactic before popping the 2hr anyways, if you had the 5 FMs saved before? Either way, 3 flourishes is really underwhelming, especially given that dagger WSs aren't exactly strong against endgame content...

[ronin sparthos]

I like how SE handwaved the legitimate complaint about Legion with "get a better strategy".

[Taint]

You are full of shit ; you can't stun at will because schock squall has a charging time and all of his spells are instant, and also because you never know when it will wear off (no wear off message and random duration), so it's going to breakga/silencega/aga 3 or 4 you before you can even say oshit. Secondly, when it split it uses oblivion smash x2 (or even worse : violent rupture) which is unstunnable because the initial adl depops then 2 copies pops and use the move instantly so yeah come back when you actually know your shit (also a double oblivion smash is going to wipe you instanly ).

Fuck, I can't believe i'm arguing with you. I HAVE DONE IT, MY LS HAS DONE IT, OTHERS COULD DO IT. We are not doing anything game breaking or revolutionary, hell your clan could do it.

[Byrthnoth]

What Taint is trying to say is that his strategy works 100% of the time half of the time.