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[Septimus]

They could always make Yonin and Innin require you to Dual Wield to activate.

[Priran]

I think cureskin is a little too powerful to give when subbed

[Damane]

I can keep arguing, but I am going to let it go.



RDM is a great sub for BLM, SMN, and SCH. It is pretty jive that Convert is completely unnerfed as a sub when Yonin, Innin, Afflatus: Solace, and Afflatus: Misery are not available as a sub job and Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Soul Eater, and Shadowbind are significantly nerfed.

hence the part with "last time I subed /rdm on WHM". its still a great SJ for SCH, I agree, but I rarely even use convert on SCH, unless I am nukeing my ass off.

[Taim Meich]

Convert for SCH is just the icing on the cake. /RDM is just all what SCH lacks, packed in one nice subjob. Fast Cast, MAB, MDB (this is more of a bonus), Haste, all the enfeebles besides the sleeps and Break, Phalanx, the bar- spells... If Stun didn't exist, there would be no reason at all to use any other sub.

[fantasticdan]

Innin is far more obvious. Slap a 30% crit rate on everyone who attacks a mob from behind? Could see that giving /SAM a run for its money depending on some builds for two-handers, but it'd also outright soldify /NIN as a must for one-handers beyond what it already is.

Have you played the game recently? The jobs that care about 1h dps (blu thf dnc) already get DW3 or better natively, and use /war as a dps sub in groups where innin would be relevant. Yonin/innin bonuses/penalties also constantly decay, you wouldn't get a straight +30% crit rate from behind out of it.

[dejet]

it still would average out to be around 20% crit hit rate at all times.

But iv only been back for around a month and have zero clue about most changes and cant say if +20% is worth the lose of sam.

It could piss off people who dislike bst tho. throw on another 20% crit hit ~_~ lol

[fantasticdan]

First off, with how easy it is the cap enimity, you would have a very difficult time staying behind the mob for a decent % of the fight. After a few WS, the mob is going to be constantly turning to everyone, including the innin users.

Secondly, if innin/yonin were to be unlocked as a SJ, I imagine they would make them DW exclusive. /nin should be to 1h what /sam is to 2h. Right now /war is the defacto dps subjob for DW jobs minus bst.

And last, bst would still use /dnc in most situations (especially dynamis which is where most people complain about bst). And in the situations you'd use bst/nin, a crit rate bonus on auto-attacks isn't a crazy big deal anyway, ruinator doesn't crit.

[Langly]

First off, with how easy it is the cap enimity, you would have a very difficult time staying behind the mob for a decent % of the fight. After a few WS, the mob is going to be constantly turning to everyone, including the innin users.

Quite right Dan, They're directional based buffs. Which is why they're so piss poor as it is. NIN Main should at least have these buffs active from ANY direction.

[Ophannus]

90% of what makes RDM unique are spells/traits/JA pre 49 which is why it makes such a nice sub. 99RDM feels a lot like 75RDM with 75BLM nukes and that's basically it.

[Raen Ryong]

The best money maker of those days were THF/NIN+RDM/WHM selling shellbusters from castle zwhal to npc, it was maybe 100k an hour and didn't rely on selling anything at the AH.

I used to have regular buyers of sky pops, and it would only take an ~hour to do SC => Zip => Faust, getting about 600k for the cycle. Competition could mess it up but at least on Bahamut there were very few RDMs who could do the first two, let alone the third.

[Jem]

Wait... Faust was seen as a hard solo for RDM at 75? Not supposed to be sarcastic, genuinely surprised. I thought it was seen as an easy bread and butter type solo for RDM.

[NynJa]

It could piss off people who dislike bst tho. throw on another 20% crit hit ~_~ lol

bst/nin in dynamis wouldnt get very far


and seeing as how /sam's hasso/seigan work to full potency while subbed, I dont see why innin/yonin shouldnt work.

[Deader2818]

Doesnt Hasso lose str and something else when subbed?

[Kincard]

Loses STR since it's considering the SAM (that is, subjob) level and the Zanshin->DA conversion.

Given that NIN's kinda falling behind even with Innin up at the moment, I don't see the point of gimping them further. Though then again, I guess the jobs Innin would be most attractive to are jobs that could actually use the boost (DNC, THF, etc).

[drwaffles]

Wait... Faust was seen as a hard solo for RDM at 75? Not supposed to be sarcastic, genuinely surprised. I thought it was seen as an easy bread and butter type solo for RDM.

Faust was one of the more gear-dependent solos, which basically just meant that if you had better gear you had less chance of getting randomly flattened. I mean, a lot of Bind/Grav-based solos were like that but Faust tore you up faster than most if it got close for too long. Other than that there was nothing special about it as long as you kept your nerve and timed spells correctly between Typhoons when shadows were down.

Shit, I got nostalgic for RDM soloing.

[NynJa]

Doesnt Hasso lose str and something else when subbed?

Well a SAM49 and a /SAM49 do get the same Hasso, matter of words I guess.

[Deader2818]

Yeah, I get you.

[dejet]

I really don't care about namis lol. I may be a BST but I hate namis. Its just to damn boring to me

[scaevola]

Well a SAM49 and a /SAM49 do get the same Hasso, matter of words I guess.

Then for that to really work as a metaphor, Innin/Yonin would need to get tiers as you go up in level and /NIN would just get stuck with the base tier.

Which would actually be a pretty good idea!

I really don't care about namis lol. I may be a BST but I hate namis. Its just to rank boring to me

I often wish I could bring myself to get more into Dynamis farming because I actually like solo farming in general, but I have a hard time with how it makes me feel like I have to draw the shades for two hours when I do it. Devoting that solid a block of your evening to just farming is such a turn-off and after missing a ton of days by either just not being able to commit the time or, more often, wanting to do something else if I have that unbroken block of time, I just stopped going.

[Slycer]

JP forums today:

Zhayolm (99 version on test server) glitch confirmed but only on the north side. Use south path if you want to progress further.

No Assault expansion for higher than Captain is planned. Meeble Burrows is intended to be an assault-like experience for level 99.