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[ronin sparthos]

Hey I called that before!

[Obsidian]

Will require 35s of the same set, is my bet.

[NynJa]

Will require 35s of the same set, is my bet.

got most of them stored for all 3 chars on porter slips (except bhaflau because ramparts only pop NQ mobs)

[Guitarman]

im holding onto khroma for neo salvage. In the off chance the gear is amazing i can see the ore going up so people can get the original piece.

[Darkmagi]

That would be so retarded if they do require additional 15/25/35s.

[Loziel]

Knowing SE, My bets are on brand new 45, 55, 65 or some such system in addition to the old item. Way to extend the probably last major content until whenever Adoulin hits

[ryskar]

We had a few Japanese shells on Bahamut that would camp Kings in order to sell things to people for money. The difference is that they were monopolizing the system to keep people out so that they could make money, as opposed to someone who could not get the item otherwise getting a mercenary group to do it for him. The latter may be laziness, but the former was malicious.

Maybe not in your experience but back in the day when I would help random newbs because a 75 RDM was a solo machine of death, plenty of people told me about people wanting gil in order to help them with coffer keys, missions, quest, AF, etc. You may not have experienced it, but this is nothing new.

Yeah, friend of mine had to pay someone to help him get LB1 items back in the day. I used to help random new players but either I've gotten progressively more bitter or the genuine new players became retarded. It's sad, I have a lot of good memories helping people. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

[pchan]

Firstly, Abyssea allowed for constant progression rather than the luckbased crapshoot that other events tout. Things like Glavoid, Carabosse, Kukulkan, Eccentric Eve, Bhukis, Ironclad Triturator, Rani, Pantokrator, Apademak and the like were difficult enough for good groups to get comfortable with while being challenging enough to keep average players entertained. These things only got easier because of level caps and the advent of Razed Ruins / Minikin / Apocalypse spam which made it damn near impossible to lose.

Apademak ? It was released with level 90 and free brew for anyone, right ? Come on. The concept of abyssea was good, it got ruined by the ability to enter at will, and by brews. Just like current endgame is ruined by Perfect Defense. In reality nothing was really difficult in abyssea, and the fact that the initial NM were done at level 80 and 85 barely changes this because we knew level cap increase would come up every 3 months. Abyssea concept was cool but the progression you are talking about is fake ; only the most gimp players can't get AF3+2 and in oder to get the best weapon in the game all you have to do is buy a pocket whm and level monk or nin.

[NynJa]

Brews didnt ruin abyssea lol, you're free to not use brews, just like you're free to not use cruor buffs or atmas of you feel like giving yourself an artificial challenge. But I doubt you'd actually bother upgrading another empyrean without cruor buffs or atmas...

[Genosync]

Brews didnt ruin abyssea lol, you're free to not use brews, just like you're free to not use cruor buffs or atmas of you feel like giving yourself an artificial challenge. But I doubt you'd actually bother upgrading another empyrean without cruor buffs or atmas...

This, a million times over.

"Man, Standard Mode ruined this new Kingdom Hearts game, it's too easy and broken, fuck this game" and then never turn on Proud/Critical.

[Mahoro]

Dynamis? It's only good because its a solo farming spot for currency/gil but it also happens to be boring as shit and reminds me soloing in an offline game. Subjective?I'm aware. In terms of actual changes to the content? The Arch Bosses are a complete waste (sans ADL), there is no incentive to even take 6 people to pwn some shit and cities are a complete waste of space because SE refuses to adjust the zones to make them competitive with CoP.

I'd say about half the Arch Bosses are complete wastes, the useful ones being Xarc (of course), Jeuno, and arguably Beauc and Tav for certain builds. I also got a request from Churchill for the RNG piece from Sandy I think which we weren't able to fulfill because he left game ;;

Brews didnt ruin abyssea lol, you're free to not use brews, just like you're free to not use cruor buffs or atmas of you feel like giving yourself an artificial challenge. But I doubt you'd actually bother upgrading another empyrean without cruor buffs or atmas...

I see that argument all the time, but it only works if the rest of the playerbase consents to give themselves an artificial challenge along with you. Otherwise, you are the only guy stuck running the track in quicksand while the others around you are racing ahead in scooters. The proposition that brews ruined Abyssea does not depend solely on your own difficulty level settings.

[Mrbeansman]

I see that argument all the time, but it only works if the rest of the playerbase consents to give themselves an artificial challenge along with you. Otherwise, you are the only guy stuck running the track in quicksand while the others around you are racing ahead in scooters. The proposition that brews ruined Abyssea does not depend solely on your own difficulty level settings.

No this is not a argument its pure butthurt that someone got something for less effort then you which is the real bullshit in the when someone spews this shit.

[Taint]

I see that argument all the time, but it only works if the rest of the playerbase consents to give themselves an artificial challenge along with you. Otherwise, you are the only guy stuck running the track in quicksand while the others around you are racing ahead in scooters. The proposition that brews ruined Abyssea does not depend solely on your own difficulty level settings.

Thats exactly how I see it. Take away 200k brews and half the player base doesn't beat Shinryu (at 90) and it stays the challenge it was supposed to be. Then the drops maintain their place as exclusive. Instead Abyssea gear all just became standard with nothing to be remotely proud of. Great content that was diluted by the need to let the low tier players get their gear.

[Mahoro]

No this is not a argument its pure butthurt that someone got something for less effort then you which is the real bullshit in the when someone spews this shit.

But this is an MMO and the issue is over its design. Would you consider the design sufficient if someone were able to walk up to the Magian Moogle and request a shiny new Relic whereas you chose the option of farming currency for months? The Kingdom Hearts example is arguably different, although if that game's default setting is too easy I would also have issue with its design.

[Pharaun]

Thats exactly how I see it. Take away 200k brews and half the player base doesn't beat Shinryu (at 90) and it stays the challenge it was supposed to be. Then the drops maintain their place as exclusive. Instead Abyssea gear all just became standard with nothing to be remotely proud of. Great content that was diluted by the need to let the low tier players get their gear.

Leaving brews at 2 mil really wouldn't have changed much. You would have just seen a lot more cruor burn parties and people would still be using brews fairly regularly and getting all the gear. It might have taken slightly longer, but it would have happened.

[Genosync]

Honestly, who cares that the "scrub players" have all the things? Go make more weapons than them, go do whatever. Seriously, AF3+2 is not that big of an accomplishment, I have all 100 pieces and all it took was doing a bunch of weapon farming. Wah wah, my gear is so standard. Solid gear is garbage in the hands of garbage people, and this is proven time and time again.

Play your game the way you want to play your game, at the end of the day you're still having an equal amount of entertainment and enjoyment. The very second you start trying to compare your experience to someone who's not as skilled as you are, and thinking you're more entitled by default to having more fun in every piece of content than someone else because you're better than them at everything, is the second you've become an elitist jackass. There's content that exists for you that is too challenging/difficult for the kinds of people you're fucking whining about.

Games are entertainment; while yes, they do supply a challenge, if that challenge is overall too difficult for a group of consumers, you've alienated part of your audience and you've lost money.

[NynJa]

I see that argument all the time, but it only works if the rest of the playerbase consents to give themselves an artificial challenge along with you. Otherwise, you are the only guy stuck running the track in quicksand while the others around you are racing ahead in scooters. The proposition that brews ruined Abyssea does not depend solely on your own difficulty level settings.

Thats exactly how I see it. Take away 200k brews and half the player base doesn't beat Shinryu (at 90) and it stays the challenge it was supposed to be. Then the drops maintain their place as exclusive. Instead Abyssea gear all just became standard with nothing to be remotely proud of. Great content that was diluted by the need to let the low tier players get their gear.

Niggas rely on event bots for Legion so their sch/blm's can stun every TP move, and rely on movement hacks and dat swaps so they can give themselves an advantage in NNI...but those are ok? Relied on claim bots so they could claim kings back in the day. I guess when the artifical advantage is not offered by SE, its ok to use.

[Mahoro]

Tell me. Where, in either of our posts, did we actually say botting was OK, or in any way say that the availability of artificial advantages not offered by SE magically renders SE's design sufficient?

[Mrbeansman]

Thats exactly how I see it. Take away 200k brews and half the player base doesn't beat Shinryu (at 90) and it stays the challenge it was supposed to be. Then the drops maintain their place as exclusive. Instead Abyssea gear all just became standard with nothing to be remotely proud of. Great content that was diluted by the need to let the low tier players get their gear.

Why do you care so much that other people have the same shiny pixels as you. You guys are acting like someone brewing shinryu cheapens the accomplishment of you beating it without one. Heres a hint; it doesn't. You get to go around and tell others how you're so much better then them cause you did it legit you know if it really means that much to you.

[NynJa]

Tell me. Where, in either of our posts, did we actually say botting was OK, or in any way say that the availability of artificial advantages not offered by SE magically renders SE's design sufficient?

When people started posting screenshots of themselves with GM mode and fillmode active and no one gave a fuck anymore? "Artifical advantages that cheapen the content", right? Otherwise you wouldnt need GM mode to save those seconds you're stuck not moving while doing JA's, or you wouldnt need fillmode to see that IG mob across 5 walls. lol