Warning to remaining wizbot users

[machiko]

He will probably strip all the accounts with an automated script and rmt the gil, bots days are nearly over so now is the best time to do it. He can even strip the security tagged accounts if he knows what he's doing which I assume he does.

[Jex]

I hope you got banned you stupid fucking POSing retard. Glad I kicked you out of my linkshell before I decided to give your worthless ass gear. POSing while dead like a fucking TOOL. Hope you are banned.

LOL we have dead body races in dynamis...

[Colenzo]

even more retarded

[Darkmagi]

....umad?

[jurjur]

I hope you got banned you stupid fucking POSing retard. Glad I kicked you out of my linkshell before I decided to give your worthless ass gear. POSing while dead like a fucking TOOL. Hope you are banned.

Hey 2003 called, etc.

[Draylo]

He will probably strip all the accounts with an automated script and rmt the gil, bots days are nearly over so now is the best time to do it. He can even strip the security tagged accounts if he knows what he's doing which I assume he does.

Yeah how so?

[mojava]

Common misconceptions of people who vehemently oppose botting:

1. People bot to make the game "easier" (no - they bot in order to spend less time glued mindlessly to the screen, hence trying to bring up anything regarding "skill" is utter nonsense)

2. People bot solely for this convenience (no - botting unequivocally increases your chances of claiming because it removes human error. Even someone with perfect reaction times paying rapt attention will get caught out by something spawning out of their line of sight every so often, whereas a bot won't)

3. Everyone who bots thinks that botting makes them "elite" or "cool" (anyone who does think this is a moron and you're perfectly welcome to take the piss out of them)

4. People who bot think that everyone -should- bot (nope - it's up to you whether you do or not. If you don't think the convenience is worth doing what you consider to be cheating then that's perfectly understandable)

This is coming from someone who doesn't even bot any more, although I'm not sure why I'm trying to argue against the anti-bot brigade for the umpteenth time because even though they've been presented with clear and logical arguments time and time again they don't seem to possess the ability to comprehend them in the slightest. There's nothing wrong with disliking the practice of botting, but if you're going to condemn it at least come up with justifiable reasons for doing so.

Well written post. Here's another aspect to botting: in the long run it kills the fun with any MMO. Back in Asheron's Call, my first MMO 2000-2005, we had nothing short of amazing bots. One example among other were the ability to run a manaburn of 1-10 mages that coordinated tactics, movement, spellcasting, retreating, looted etc while fighting. This herd could easily outperform any human-controlled party. On top of that the bots desynthed non-valuables, warped/ran to town when full to sell & restock and then ran back to commence the action. The coordination of the bots was entirely outside the game (private IRC-channels) so no GM would catch the flowing commands. The bots even could detect incoming non-whitelisted players approaching and logoff for a set amount of time to avoid being GM:ed. Initially quite a satisfaction watching this perfect machine run like a clock. When getting back home after work you'd have loads and loads of new shiny loot & lots of gil waiting for you. Brilliant.

BUT.

Then there wasn't anything more to it.. once everyone afk'ed and ran their perfect bots, how fun was the game to play? That's when FFXi arrived and it was actually a relief to be *forced* to play like a human again.

Just my story.

[edit: Whoaa, did I get the 'Starcade'-title by posting this or is that common to all sub-10-posters? lol]

[machiko]

Yeah how so?

Alter, block or corrupt pol on your pc to stop it being able to contact playonline servers then have a keylogger send that good code you tried to use to login to him, now his script logs into your account using the code you failed to use and you can't access playonline servers to boot him cause he corrupted your pol. If you have another machine to access your acc it will boot him but assuming you don't have that he has free reign over your acc to then strip it.

This is best done while the person is using the bot and playing FFXI, make the attack kick them from FFXI with a crash and they will instantly try to log back in.

[Draylo]

That does sound like it would work.

[Jex]

That does sound like it would work.

I believe that's how people were hacked w/ tokens.

Edit: Yep...

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/804...y+token+hacked

[Crizto]

LOL we have dead body races in dynamis...

I could take you on!

[ringthree]

QoL. Aka, one of the top 2 reasons people quit this game to go play other(/better) ones.

At that point, wouldn't it just be easier to go play something better? LOL

I don't really care about botting at all anymore (it is virtually useless now). I am just saying if you can only derive pleasure from the game by botting out the annoying parts, then it is probably time to move on.

[FailureMidgard]

At that point, wouldn't it just be easier to go play something better? LOL

I don't really care about botting at all anymore (it is virtually useless now). I am just saying if you can only derive pleasure from the game by botting out the annoying parts, then it is probably time to move on.

I didn't say people derive pleasure from it - I said that FFXI has some serious QoL issues, and said cheating tools remove some of them. I didn't even necessarily mean claim tools, but c'mon, lets face it, the days of claiming a monster being the competition are a bit obsolete in an MMO. Most newer MMOs *gasp* want you to play the game. Make instanced content, make it challenging enough that a ton of people fail it, and let people go at it with a group of friends they choose. People can hate on claim-bots all they want, but the problem is the fact that SE hasn't realized that most the people running claim bots just want to be able to spend their time to fight said mob and not watch other people fight it.

Past that though, player collision is beyond retarded. JA delay timer is in the same boat. Their need to put stupid bullshit obstacles that serve no purpose other than to annoy you (Navigating inner areas of Sea), or requiring retarded long runs is also just...dumb. The fact that you can/should swap your entire gear set 2 times in 1 spell, yet the base game doesn't even support you doing this easily for more than a few items (if you swap twice especially). The fact you have to navigate menus to see your recast times. The fact you crashed if you tabbed out for the first fucking 8 years. I can go on, but the point is - this game was not developed for the players to enjoy the game. "Cheating" lets you bypass the bullshit, and enjoy the actual content there. It's not about shit being hard, it's not about having a bot play the game for you while you're at work (ok, some people do that to - I'll admit I don't understand why people play the game when they'd rather not play and have a bot do it for 'em entirely, but even PL bots a lot of people use to 2box, so they are still playing the game, just running a PL bot on a second account instead of bringing a 2nd player), it's simply about not having to deal with SE's annoying bullshit.

Outside of all that, the game does hardly seem worth dealing with at the moment. And before those new Dynamis changes, I wasn't sure if not logging on for the past 3 months was actually what I wanted or not...but wow, they took a terrible event and made it worse in the only way possible as far as I can tell.

[S N K]

At that point, wouldn't it just be easier to go play something better? LOL

I don't really care about botting at all anymore (it is virtually useless now). I am just saying if you can only derive pleasure from the game by botting out the annoying parts, then it is probably time to move on.

Truth be told people doing Emperyen Mobs like Guku I've seen people seriously bot it because the multiple times I've been there, It's like Dragon's Aery all over again only with a 15 minute repop instead of 21-24. People bot because they want to claim shit and fight it and not watch anyone else fight it. Guku's KI should have been obtainable from a chest or it better yet should have been a force pop mob. Timed spawns are fucking pointless for people working on Emperyen Weapons and serve to be nothing more then a cockblock for everyone trying to claim it.

[Washburn]

I hope you got banned you stupid fucking POSing retard. Glad I kicked you out of my linkshell before I decided to give your worthless ass gear. POSing while dead like a fucking TOOL. Hope you are banned.

goddamn colenzo, long time man. I thought you quit, not serverjumped

[Taruking]

It's never ok to bot simply because you want to "enjoy" the fight instead of watching other ppl doing the fight. You are doing so at the expense of legitimate players' right to enjoy the same content. If you think the system is flawed, complain to SE, hack their server to install a virus that makes HNM spawn more frequently so that more ppl get to enjoy the game. Denying legit players fair chance to claim HNM is plain wrong.

[FailureMidgard]

It's never ok to bot simply because you want to "enjoy" the fight instead of watching other ppl doing the fight. You are doing so at the expense of legitimate players' right to enjoy the same content. If you think the system is flawed, complain to SE, hack their server to install a virus that makes HNM spawn more frequently so that more ppl get to enjoy the game. Denying legit players fair chance to claim HNM is plain wrong.

You are more than welcome to your moral high ground. That in no way changes whether or not people bot "because the game is so hard" though, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to post that, and it isn't worth a response outside of what I just said. I have no desire to get into a moral debate with you on botting in a video game.

[Taruking]

You are more than welcome to your moral high ground. That in no way changes whether or not people bot "because the game is so hard" though, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to post that, and it isn't worth a response outside of what I just said. I have no desire to get into a moral debate with you on botting in a video game.

It has nothing to do with moral value, or difficulty of the game, we are talking about company-customer relationship. If you think SE has done a crappy job on HNM system target the company, don't make the life of other players who are also victim of the system more miserable. Afterall we all pay the same subscription fees. And using bot does not solve the fundamental problem or affect SE in any form or shape.

The same reason why I never complain about spellcast. The program actually improves the gameplay and it doesn't have the same impact on legitimate players as claim bots do.

[Dimmauk]

Im not sure people think they are better because they bot, but they do think are better because of the rewards they get from botting. I could careless if you got 2x Emps legit or by botting ??? pops and 15min repop NMs.

[FailureMidgard]

It has nothing to do with moral value, or difficulty of the game, we are talking about company-customer relationship. If you think SE has done a crappy job on HNM system target the company, don't make the life of other players who are also victim of the system more miserable. Afterall we all pay the same subscription fees. And using bot does not solve the fundamental problem or affect SE in any form or shape.

The same reason why I never complain about spellcast. The program actually improves the gameplay and it doesn't have the same impact on legitimate players as claim bots do.

Said players also have the same ability to get a bot. It is entirely a moral highground issue, I'm sorry. The tools are there and available to use, if you don't use them, you are doing so for moral issues because you don't want to deprive other players, which is a perfectly acceptable point of view. Personally, I don't care, and while I actually think I'm a generally moral person, extending that to claim-botting in FFXI is just something that I am unable to grasp as logical. I'm not going to go on a crusade against SE, that isn't fun - and the only reason I even played the game to begin with is fun. MY civil rights as a human being weren't touched, I wasn't hurt in any manner - I just wanted to play the game, and when I have a free tool available that allows me to play the game instead of stare at the game, I'm going to use it. If you don't want to, that's your call, but the only people that I would potentially be making the game "more miserable" for, are the ones that take a moral high ground. I'm not going out of my way to grief anyone, or deny them anything. That's just a side-effect of their own stupidity. Kinda like when I use spellcast or whatever tools you are fine with, and they don't, and I still get more done, and they get less done as a side-effect of their own stupidity. (No offense intended to people that don't use said tools - if you're fine not using them and happy, power to you, if you start bitching about other people using them, you're stupid because you have the same option available to you. If you play on a PS2 and don't have a computer, look outside, it's 2011, get a computer. If you're 15 and can't get your own computer...well, sorry).