Warning to remaining wizbot users

[NynJa]

I'm not going to go on a crusade against SE, that isn't fun - and the only reason I even played the game to begin with is fun.

Actually I'd just like to point out, while it wasnt a crusade with riots and picketing and swords clashing, a good portion of endgame playerbase did spend lots of time asking SE how come they never changed the kings system, why they continued to go with the stupid 21-24 spawning system that basically encouraged people to bot, and SE never budged..."everythings ok ^_^, theres no latency issues ^_^"

[Taruking]

Ok let's say all endgame hardcore players who camp HNM use the best claim bot available on the markt, we are back to square one aren't we? Bot doesn't solve the fundamental problem - HNM is desigened to cockblock player's progress. It can only be solved by raising NM spawn rate, that's pretty much why botting is dead these days.

Ppl who have the programming skill to make ffxi a better game could have put their skill to better use. Making Claim bots are nothing more than a selfish act with the sole intention to upset game balance and rip off impatient players like yourself. If you want to use bot it's your money you can spend it whatever way you like. Just don't try to convince other players it's a right thing to do with your flawed argument.

[NynJa]

Gee, you know I really dont want to beat a fucking dead horse to the ground...but seriously man

NA community: we cant claim shit because JP claim everything with their lower ping, shit spawns purple to us
Sage Sundi: nop, I've done tests, theres no latency issues, nope ^_^
NA community: why cant you guys find a better way to do this?
SE: nope, no problems, everything works fine

[drwaffles]

Ok let's say all endgame hardcore players who camp HNM use the best claim bot available on the markt, we are back to square one aren't we? Bot doesn't solve the fundamental problem - HNM is desigened to cockblock player's progress. It can only be solved by raising NM spawn rate, that's pretty much why botting is dead these days.

Ppl who have the programming skill to make ffxi a better game could have put their skill to better use. Making Claim bots are nothing more than a selfish act with the sole intention to upset game balance and rip off impatient players like yourself. If you want to use bot it's your money you can spend it whatever way you like. Just don't try to convince other players it's a right thing to do with your flawed argument.

You are the archetype of what I was referring to in my post. You just argue against points no one's making, assume to understand the way other people think even if it's contrary to what they've actually said and in the end boil it all down to "botting is cheating, cheaters are evil, therefore botters are evil". You have such a blinkered view that it's not worth anyone trying to have a rational conversation with you.

[S N K]

Ok let's say all endgame hardcore players who camp HNM use the best claim bot available on the markt, we are back to square one aren't we? Bot doesn't solve the fundamental problem - HNM is desigened to cockblock player's progress. It can only be solved by raising NM spawn rate, that's pretty much why botting is dead these days.

Ppl who have the programming skill to make ffxi a better game could have put their skill to better use. Making Claim bots are nothing more than a selfish act with the sole intention to upset game balance and rip off impatient players like yourself. If you want to use bot it's your money you can spend it whatever way you like. Just don't try to convince other players it's a right thing to do with your flawed argument.

Just stop with this dead worthless arguement. You are far beyond the 1st person to cry about bots and won't be the last. I've never used one but damn if I didn't still get a Dalmy without it. The Game Balance thing is a joke seriously.

[Taruking]

You are the archetype of what I was referring to in my post. You just argue against points no one's making, assume to understand the way other people think even if it's contrary to what they've actually said and in the end boil it all down to "botting is cheating, cheaters are evil, therefore botters are evil". You have such a blinkered view that it's not worth anyone trying to have a rational conversation with you.

Learn to read better. I already said I have no issue with spellcast and it's technically cheating to use spellcast. I will be more than happy to make donation to the programmers because they have done the community a favour by making a program which actually improve the game play. If someone installs a virus on FFXI server to make Tiamat spawn every 2 hrs he/she will earn my respect too. All bots do is let you monopolise HNM and completely jeopardise legit players right to enjoy the fight, I dont see how you can defend that.

[NynJa]

And bots help improve the users gameplay by actually letting them do what they want to do instead of watching others do what they want to do. Same asshat logic

[Taruking]

And bots help improve the users gameplay by actually letting them do what they want to do instead of watching others do what they want to do. Same asshat logic

Until everyone starts booting and we are all back to square one. Bot doesn't solve the fundamental problem, ppl are only trying to justify paying greedy bot writers.

[S N K]

Learn to read better. I already said I have no issue with spellcast and it's technically cheating to use spellcast. I will be more than happy to make donation to the programmers because they have done the community a favour by making a program which actually improve the game play. If someone installs a virus on FFXI server to make Tiamat spawn every 2 hrs he/she will earn my respect too. All bots do is let you monopolise HNM and completely jeopardise legit players right to enjoy the fight, I dont see how you can defend that.

Because people still care about Tiamat, Fafnir, Nidhogg, Aspid and King Behemoth *lolDring* Why?

[Colenzo]

Learn to read better. I already said I have no issue with spellcast and it's technically cheating to use spellcast. I will be more than happy to make donation to the programmers because they have done the community a favour by making a program which actually improve the game play. If someone installs a virus on FFXI server to make Tiamat spawn every 2 hrs he/she will earn my respect too. All bots do is let you monopolise HNM and completely jeopardise legit players right to enjoy the fight, I dont see how you can defend that.

have you actually ever owned a decent botting program?

[Lyall]

Learn to read better. I already said I have no issue with spellcast and it's technically cheating to use spellcast. I will be more than happy to make donation to the programmers because they have done the community a favour by making a program which actually improve the game play. If someone installs a virus on FFXI server to make Tiamat spawn every 2 hrs he/she will earn my respect too. All bots do is let you monopolise HNM and completely jeopardise legit players right to enjoy the fight, I dont see how you can defend that.

So you're picking and choosing your morality. Cheating with spellcast is fine, but as soon as something leverages an advantage it is no longer fair play. While technically true, it strikes me a little odd to call people on their own personal moral lines.

"Cheating is fine until it isn't."

Have I been outclaimed by bots? Probably. Do I care? Not really, I go do something else. Call it beta behavior or what have you, but I'd rather not put up with the bullshit. Most people botting nowadays at least know they have to proc red on the things they're claiming, so shit, the faster you get out of my way, the faster I get back to what I was doing. Not like there isn't myriad things to do in XI.

People want to cheat, that's on them. I don't do it, but I don't condemn those who do because SE's game design was ultimately flawed. People are always going to get around the rules. Being upset about it doesn't do anything because yelling at the sky isn't changing the color.

[Colenzo]

So you're picking and choosing your morality. Cheating with spellcast is fine, but as soon as something leverages an advantage it is no longer fair play. While technically true, it strikes me a little odd to call people on their own personal moral lines.

"Cheating is fine until it isn't."

Have I been outclaimed by bots? Probably. Do I care? Not really, I go do something else. Call it beta behavior or what have you, but I'd rather not put up with the bullshit. Most people botting nowadays at least know they have to proc red on the things they're claiming, so shit, the faster you get out of my way, the faster I get back to what I was doing. Not like there isn't myriad things to do in XI.

People want to cheat, that's on them. I don't do it, but I don't condemn those who do because SE's game design was ultimately flawed. People are always going to get around the rules. Being upset about it doesn't do anything because yelling at the sky isn't changing the color.

There is a huge difference between botting for claim and botting to flee across the zone and jet skiing around like a fucking chicken with your head cut off.

[Lyall]

There is a huge difference between botting for claim and botting to flee across the zone and jet skiing around like a fucking chicken with your head cut off.

True. I just don't think I've ever heard someone defend fleehacking, is all.

[Colenzo]

My whole thing is that I just really get annoyed with people that are blatantly hacking and not giving a shit about their accounts.

[S N K]

That guy on Fairy cole in Excaliber, Some Italian Elvaan dude is a perfect example. He just barly got a Dring and then got Perma banned for PoS hacking around Riverne. lol

[Lyall]

My whole thing is that I just really get annoyed with people that are blatantly hacking and not giving a shit about their accounts.

That's why I asked about why you were raging at Sevourn; in his opening post he said that all of his info was from a third party. I'm under the impression he himself wasn't the one botting, unless I missed something.

[Colenzo]

That's why I asked about why you were raging at Sevourn; in his opening post he said that all of his info was from a third party. I'm under the impression he himself wasn't the one botting, unless I missed something.

basically he flee hacks and POS's his body all over the place while hes dead lol

That guy on Fairy cole in Excaliber, Some Italian Elvaan dude is a perfect example. He just barly got a Dring and then got Perma banned for PoS hacking around Riverne. lol

good. Italians with d-rings is bad mmmkay?

[Jex]

True. I just don't think I've ever heard someone defend fleehacking, is all.

I would

basically he flee hacks and POS's his body all over the place while hes dead lol

I flee hack, My ENTIRE LS flee hacks, and I can name 7 LS's with a good 10-20 people who flee hack in each of them. Stop crying because someone else chooses to flee hack, if you're not retarded and get stupid with it you wont get caught. I have friends in my LS who have not walked under mizurqua(sp?) speed in over 4 years and have NEVER been GM'd. Yes sliding around with your body in public zones is not smart, yes sometimes if you die by a mob that spams shit its easier to move to mages and if no one is watching who's going to GM you? Running normal speed is fucking gay, even if you don't use the bot to flee hack it still has other uses like not being able to be bound or effected by spells like gravity/bind or decreased movement speed from dusk gloves in shit making it really cool for soloing stuff on blm (inb4 "soloing is hard?" because it isn't). If someone want's to flee hack don't bitch at them about it because umad.

even more retarded

Who the fuck is going to GM me in dynamis?

[Mafai]

even if you don't use the bot to flee hack it still has other uses like not being able to be bound or effected by spells like gravity/bind or decreased movement speed from dusk gloves in shit

are you dumb?

you say if you don't use it to flee hack instead use it to negate the -movement speed from items / spells. that is flee hacking.... Its overwriting the value of your speed with the normal value. Although its not above normal speed, its changing the value in memory from what the game wants it to be...

if your the guy who used to join the NiN vent crying about his account getting hacked, you should care more about your account and not hack on it.

I'm not saying I don't agree with hacks, because well that would make me a hypocrite, but you did cry a lot when your account was hacked, why would you jeopardize your account if you were bothered so much by it being hacked?

[cdgreg]

Folks around my parts seem to use bots more for dual box whm mule cure bombing than claiming/fleeing/pos hacking