The Official Forums: BG Edition

[Esvedium]

That Rog post has a funny.

[Mairja]

Maybe it would have been funnier if he hadn't already made idk how many other troll threads and posts. As it is now, I just find it dumb. And the "I-have-cancer" bit is taking it a bit too far, imo.

[Lovex]

It's really irritating.

I hope SE isn't listening to these retards..

[Lovex]

I find it normal that casual players can't get the best gear. At least, they could have almost the best gear as generally, "elite" endgame content provided only marginal gains. You can for instance compare the mini-extension final rewards to salvage gear or salvage gear to Nyzul gear, or even sky.




Nope, they where considered worthless in december with full AF3+2.




This is the typical opinion of "pro abyssea" players that IMO are just recent players that spend time leveling right before abyssea without getting involved in endgame and then when abyssea cam out, they dicovered it.

First, not many old endgamers will do exp parties in abyssea because there is no real point in leveling extra jobs. The game is so unbalance that you require at most 2 DD jobs, 2 mages jobs. More precisely, ninja monk whm are basically the best jobs. Why would you level drg/pup/dnc/ w/e really since those jobs are so much better. Guess what ? Abyssea did not change that, except for nin, because at least mnk and whm were already most wanted jobs for endgame before abyssea. MNK could take anything meleable without TP spamming (unlike SAM/WAR WAR/SAM DD/SAM) while being easily on par and even better in some cases than 2 handed DDs. WHM has always been the best healer in the game and ranked top job in the census since forever.



"it doesn't require a lot of effort to be abosulutely the best"

I'm sorry you are completely wrong. Do you have the best gear ? Honest question. The best gear right now is full AF3+2 with level 90 empyreal weapon, epona's ring plus various marginal upgrades. I'm sorry to tell you it's pretty hardcore. Getting a level 90 weapon requires you to kill ~ 100 Boss types Nms, all of them requiring lesser NM's KI to be poped, and all of them requiring a team to defeat. Getting a full AF3+2 set is not possible solo, it also requires a team and if you want to proc green, it requires specific jobs so a decent size party.

So it does require a lot of effort to achieve this. About as much as a full salvage set I would say, the difference being mainly that you can enter anytime. But as far as dedicated game hours it's the same.

Look, in my old group it took us ~6 months to get a full set like usukane in salvage, running 4x aweek. That is 1 hours of assault, 1 hours of waiting time for gathering and 7 hours per week of salvage : 9H/ week for 26 week is 208 hours.
I have the level 85 vere and this what It cost me : 6 pops were gathered in two game sessions of 6 hours (and not : 6 hours of abyssea I insist cos I know some idiot will jumb at my throat), so 12 hours. 1/3 of the chloris put only 1 bud so that's 10 buds for 10 hours, or 50 chloris buds for 50 hours. Magianing the base mantis took forever camping the NMs, that's about 50 hours. Ulhuadshi is about 4 hours for 6 pops and with the 1/3 of 1 drop rule, that's 10 drops in 4 hours so 20 hours for 50 drops. From personnal exprerience, gathering a pop from dragua takes 15 minutes including running around etc plus 15 minutes kill so 30 minutes per kill, and with the 1/3 rule you need 45 kills to achieve 75 scales, or another 23 hours.

In total a level 90 empyreal weapon cost you (at least) 93 hours of work

I didn't farm AF3 yet but there are a lot of NMs to kill, a lot of seals. I'd say 5 hours per peice or 25 hours total eyeballing.

time for the absolute best, as you said : 118 hours

Seeing as the 208 hours of salvage grants you one set for yourself as well as plenty of pieces for others, while the 118 hours of abyssea gives only an empyreal for yourself, I'd say it's extremely hardcore.


"Almost all content can be done with 3-4 people"

I tend to read a lot of people thinking this was not not the case before abyssea. I think you guyz wasted to much time doing dynamis thinking you were doing something useful. Limbus/salvage/Nyzul/assault/sea/sky/hnm/znm could all be done with 3-4 people. Nothing changed. Nothing. Ever since I stopped dynamis in 2006 I did most of my endgame in groups of smaller length than 6-8. A lot was done duo. Everything I can think of range from duoing all salvage NMs, bosses, wierd BCNMS like X's knife, most interesting KSNMs, trioing Nyzul at 75, duoing limbus zones, duoing tier IV pop sets for znms then 6-manning them. The only exception would be Einherjar but this has to be the most casual event in a sense as it required you to run at a fixed time 2x30 minutes a week as opposed to the kind of hardcore event which is dynamis for 2x 3H30 per week.









By many you probably think you and your team.



No way. facepalm. How many of the posters of this forum have full AF3+2 + level 90 empyreal weapon. Not many of the noobs from BG have this. If something takes a week how come there are not many level 90 weapons yet, considering we are 5 months after the relese of heroes ?





I want 6-man events like nyzul/assault/salvage. Preferably that don't require a static to be efficient. No more abyssea. I'm tiried of the grind and to have to camp my 15' respawn NM against 2-3 others systematically.


What I don't like in abyssea :

* having to counter camp others or being yourself countercamped. Make everything popable already, it's artificially increasing your pain. There are still cc problem for pops NMs, especially at peek times, but it's not as much of a problem.

* too much running around, too much jeuno lag.

* the general grind that go with it. At least for salvage/nyzul you had the time attack aspect which was quite exciting.

For the next event I would like this time attack aspect but preferably with no limited entry requirements like abyssea. My ideal would be 2 hours salvage style instance zones, not extendable that you could try over and over. You get the difficult aspect but not the cockblocking aspect.

I guess some of it is right, but there is a whole lot of wrong in here. Comparing the efforts of a ful salvage set to af3? Also hey Tomoa!

[Kensagaku]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Prices-hmmmmm......

So far what I'm getting from this thread is that crafters are douches and should charge less than 60k/stack of Shihei toolbags else an NPC will sell better than them.

[Vandalhart]

Don't forget that everything outside of abyssea is so easy you don't need to shadow tank it anymore, so /NIN is useless in all situations now.

[Eeeks]

It's really irritating.

I hope SE isn't listening to these retards..

I see the Official Forums as a never-ending game of Whack-A-Mole. While fun at first, it's aggravating to keep up with all the dumb threads each inevitably filled with a multitude of dumb ideas. I'm afraid that not every stupid/harmful idea can be properly shot-down by an intelligent poster, so I guess it's inevitable that the Dev Team will implement a detrimental idea here and there.

In case anyone was wondering, yes, Rambus is just as talkative and stupid on forums as he is in-game. I dealt with him for awhile in a Limbus LS.

I wanted to break his pearl, but I was constantly overruled. Even though the guy postures as an expert BLM, the guy is completely worthless on the job. He can nuke (but not time-nuke), and that's about it. He constantly got 1-2shotted by spamming AM2 nukes on freshly-pulled fodder mobs, and naturally, Rambus doesn't cast Stoneskin or use Idle gear. He's utterly incapable of crowd-control (seriously...he refuses to sleep mobs). He cannot comprehend something as simple as a Stun order, and he casts Stun randomly seemingly without the capacity to differentiate between benign and dangerous spells/TP moves. Since I could not kick him, I had him on BLM about 99% of the time as that was where he'd be the least detrimental to our runs.

After the LS Leader left the game, I kept the LS running for awhile despite the fact that I developed a loathing for Limbus and over half of the LS membership. I did, however, love the exuberant excitement of good people when they got their desired Omega/Ultima drops.

Another thing I loved? Breaking the shit out of Rambus's pearl.

He decided to skip an entire Ultima cycle, so when he showing up for the next Omega, he threw a gigantic tantrum when I awarded Homam Pants to someone who passed him on the list...by one point. All Rambus had to do was attend one lousy Temenos run. Instead, I had to remove him from the ally for refusing to pass the Omega drops, and when he went apeshit in /tell and /ls (trolled the whole time by two assholes in the LS), I snapped his pearl midway through his incomprehensible, emo /ragequit spiel.

Oh how I wish I still had the screenshots. They're either buried in an archive or were lost when a backup drive crashed.

[Kensagaku]

What I wouldn't give to see those. /popcorn

[Raen Ryong]

That was actually one of the least abrasive pchan posts I have ever seen. Normally it's 80% insults, 15% wtf is he talking about with 5% good info.

[Lovex]

I seriously am considering making a thread asking if the that board can me moded by someone who represents the real community. It's filled with stupidity and its not moderated. Wtf?

It's the official forums and bluegartr is still 99.999% more accurate, respectable and HELPFUL because its accurate. At same time, we have to take some responsibility. The reason place like Alla,FFXIAH and Off. forums are so filled with noobs is because they get banned/shot down from here. I think BG can come off as unfriendly and at times, rude. I know it's impossible to have it both ways, but maybe BG should revive the old section? Idk, im just sayin'! You have to wonder why so many of BG don't post/browse any other forums and why all the other forums members don't use BG.

Also, back on topic, SE needs to do something about that forum. It's just a reskinned Alla and its making me not want to go there. I'm not being an elitest bitch either. I just don't understand why some people are quite frankily so stupid, and unwilling to learn. Wanting to be good at the game and make sense = elite? Um..

[Ocara]

I seriously am considering making a thread asking if the that board can me moded by someone who represents the real community. It's filled with stupidity and its not moderated. Wtf?

It's the official forums and bluegartr is still 99.999% more accurate, respectable and HELPFUL because its accurate. At same time, we have to take some responsibility. The reason place like Alla,FFXIAH and Off. forums are so filled with noobs is because they get banned/shot down from here. I think BG can come off as unfriendly and at times, rude. I know it's impossible to have it both ways, but maybe BG should revive the old section? Idk, im just sayin'! You have to wonder why so many of BG don't post/browse any other forums and why all the other forums members don't use BG.

Also, back on topic, SE needs to do something about that forum. It's just a reskinned Alla and its making me not want to go there. I'm not being an elitest bitch either. I just don't understand why some people are quite frankily so stupid, and unwilling to learn. Wanting to be good at the game and make sense = elite? Um..

There are a lot of reasons ignorance is so widespread and I highly doubt it's because 'bg is so mean!' Some people seriously don't give a fuck about game mechanics, some people just do not grasp the numbers of the game or mathmatical concepts such as increasing/diminishing returns or even simple numeric comparisons. (I've known several people in my old lses who double over and refuse to listen to anything I say the moment I bring up anything math related. They want to get better somehow without having to learn anything they've mentally blocked as 'hard' like math.)

A lot of people trust their friends over random people online, when their friends are just as misinformed as they are, spreading ignorance and stupid rumors around. (Ls leaders are especially bad, because people come to respect them regardless of if they know what the fuck they're talking about just based on their status.) And worst are the people who do want to learn, but look in the wrong places like alla or ffxiah forums or other places filled with idiots who think they know what the fuck and are just waiting to misinform people about their 'expert' eyeballed nonsense.

I'd say only a small minority of players who actually want to learn and end up on bg are scared off or anything like that. (And if they can't take a second to post in a clearly marked sticky I don't know how much hope i'd have for them to learn anything anyway.)

[Lyall]

I irks the shit out of me when people work on Empy weapons without having a single piece of AF3. Full Usu MNK with a Vereth? At 90? C'mon.

Still, that was definitely a restrained post coming from Pchan about stuff.

[mdkuser]

why would you want to prioritize full tantra+2 over vereth? vereth is like +50% dmg when full usu> full tantra is +10%.

[Lyall]

It just seems backwards to me. Reminds me of relic holders who were in full NQ gear despite wielding a 200m weapon.

Seals come very fast when you target them and I feel the estimated 25 hours is a bit incorrect, is all. Could knock out an entire +1 set in an afternoon, and you guys should have the +2 mats for head considering they come from Ulhuadshi.

I'm not sure which way is wrong/right, but it just irks me. Seems like a backwards priority considering time invested/reward.

[Eeeks]

It's the official forums and bluegartr is still 99.999% more accurate, respectable and HELPFUL because its accurate. At same time, we have to take some responsibility. The reason place like Alla,FFXIAH and Off. forums are so filled with noobs is because they get banned/shot down from here. I think BG can come off as unfriendly and at times, rude. I know it's impossible to have it both ways, but maybe BG should revive the old section? Idk, im just sayin'! You have to wonder why so many of BG don't post/browse any other forums and why all the other forums members don't use BG.

As someone who sometimes posts on FFXIAH, I mainly post there out of laziness. I'm on that site anyways to check sales on my main/mules and to run searches on gear or look out for rarely-listed gear. The forums are right there, so it's easy to occasionally jump right in and shoot the shit. This ease of access on such a widely-used site is probably why there's a wide variation in the quality of posts and posters. I know I make my fair share of dumbass posts, but for people with a decently-tuned bullshit detector, it's entirely possible to glean a fair amount of good information from that forum. It helps that a number of good BG posters also post there on occasion.

I don't post on BG because, for the most part, I have fuck all to contribute to this forum. I'm a not-quite-casual-but-not-hardcore-either player with above-average gear and awareness of how the game works. I don't have a deep, mathematical understanding of the game. I'm rarely among the people trailblazing new content. I don't think I've ever designed and ran tests resulting in new findings. I don't approach battles and challenges in FFXI in any interesting, innovative fashion. I"m not a Spellcast expert.

I'm just a guy out to have fun and play/gear my badass Mithra as well as I can given the limitations imposed by my real life and my varying degress of interest in FFXI. At best, I'm capable of posting gimps, random fail screenshots, and terrible jokes. And learning, but I don't need to post to do that.

[arus2001]

That fucker is just a lazy ass son of a bitch using what could be a legitimate issue as a poor excuse.

I've had my own share of injuries in the past, usually taking more than 3 months to recover from, and even then not quite fully like with my knee and lower back. If I know someone has a shitty back, I wouldn't expect them to sit through 4 hours of Dynamis, for example. If he needed to do Dynamis for something, he would have to do that, or least get some sympathy blessings to let him AFK sporadically or just permanently after putting in an hour or whatever the proverbial limits might be. Trials are no different in the concept that there's no alternative way around them, and I was jabbing more at the "Fuck him, if I can do it, he certainly can!" mentality from people who are more than likely healthy enough to not be able to relate. It's not even a matter of being educated about the game, but being decently geared could be an issue because of it.

As some other posters in that thread mentioned, a lot of trials really aren't worth the overall effort you have to put into them and it is an obvious time sink to keep people busy via some filler content. Ideally, I want to do all the nuking staves, finish an Almace, a DA% sword, and other misc. goodies for my other jobs, but even as someone between casual and hardcore, I can easily recognize that's a fuck ton of time without being able to bribe my way into cleaves or manaburns. On the days where my back is acting up after a day of heavy lifting or doing a lot of crouching/crawling, plopping down on XI when that's all I have to do might not be the most appealing of tasks, so obviously it'll just take longer over time. Sure, it beats the fuck out of camping against 3 botting linkshells in Aery, but just because it's better than that doesn't mean the system's perfect.

[Dooom]

Seals come very fast when you target them and I feel the estimated 25 hours is a bit incorrect, is all. Could knock out an entire +1 set in an afternoon, and you guys should have the +2 mats for head considering they come from Ulhuadshi..

Friend asked me for help last night with his drk +2 boots. Within an hour we'd completed farmed up a few sets, changed from red proc jobs to grellow proc jobs, and got his boots done. Granted I already had the Sea Monk KI on my two cats, but ironically I'd obtained that while getting my monk feet seals and without red procs. Still, it's further evidence of how wrong 5 hours per piece is for when you really want to do something.

I'm just a guy out to have fun and play/gear my badass Mithra as well as I can given the limitations imposed by my real life and my varying degress of interest in FFXI. At best, I'm capable of posting gimps, random fail screenshots, and terrible jokes. And learning, but I don't need to post to do that.

Same, but I still somehow squeezed several thousand posts out of it!

[isladar]

I don't post on BG because, for the most part, I have fuck all to contribute to this forum.

I'm going to have to disagree pretty hard right here, seeing as you've clearly outlined that you're capable of making coherent, well thought out posts. There's a very small percentage of posters here who do the grindy mathology stuff, and while I'm thrilled they share their findings, they're not the be-all-end-all. I certainly was never top tier in XI when I played, but I wouldn't say that my contributions to BG suffer for that (AND NEITHER WOULD ANYONE ELSE IF THEY ARE SMART). Often well-written observations and other contributions of text, as above, do just as much for furthering a community as HERE IS ALL MAFFS. ALL OF THEM.

[Kensagaku]

^

I agree with Isladar, a lot of people provide plenty without having to be all super-mathy and calculated. Not only that, but people also provide a number of other things as well. I know my own personal niche is lurking around the media to provide people with that little bit of amusement or to ask a question that someone else might be thinking in order to get an answer that benefits everyone that wanted to ask in the first place. I personally have the basic grasp of the math at best - I know my haste, I know a little bit about delay and then when you go into damage calculations I have to have the formula right there along with my calculator or I'll be all @_@ about it.

In other words, enjoy your time here, you're certainly providing even if it's not the case of uber-mathiness. Yes. I made up a term just for this.

As a side note, I wonder if we're going to end up with multiple Official Forum threads or let this one go on forever. xD

[Fereydoon]

"The Official Forums II: Electric Boogaloo"?