The Official Forums: BG Edition

[Karbuncle]

That was actually one of the least abrasive pchan posts I have ever seen. Normally it's 80% insults, 15% wtf is he talking about with 5% misguided horribly bad info.

whoa whoa whoa whoa.. whoa... whoa

Fixed

[isladar]

As a side note, I wonder if we're going to end up with multiple Official Forum threads or let this one go on forever. xD

The Alla thread is still the original, which was my model for this thread, but then when this bad boy hit 50 pages (30 PPP) in record time I was wondering if I'd do a roll over. Still not sure how I want to tackle it, since at that point I'd be doing new titles for like, every fucking roll-over thread on the board, give or take one.

[Raen Ryong]

a DA% sword, and other misc. goodies for my other jobs, but even as someone between casual and hardcore, I can easily recognize that's a fuck ton of time without being able to bribe my way into cleaves or manaburns.

I'm assuming you have BLU if you want an Almace and a DA% sword - look into BLU AoE burning. It really is the best job for it and you can do it entirely solo, killing about 20 mobs a pull with about 3-5 mins each pull. It's still not blazingly fast but it'll definitely get it done.

I'm just a guy out to have fun and play/gear my badass Mithra as well as I can given the limitations imposed by my real life and my varying degress of interest in FFXI. At best, I'm capable of posting gimps, random fail screenshots, and terrible jokes. And learning, but I don't need to post to do that.

I like your Mithra

I've never understood the whole anti-BG mentality. If you don't lack either social skills or intelligence, you really have nothing at all to worry about.

[isladar]

I've never understood the whole anti-BG mentality. If you don't lack either social skills or intelligence, you really have nothing at all to worry about.

Honey, the answer is calling from inside your post.

[Raen Ryong]

Touché

[Karbuncle]

Trust me for DDing only thing /nin has on thf is being able to live longer in tight spots but most times you can manage without shadows and the 10% double attack makes up for the loss of dual wield with are DW2 native trait as long as you keep up zerk as much as you can.

you this speadsheet and you can see the defference on higher defmobs from the scars-heros zones and some NM's in vision
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0A...N2VkYWZk&hl=en

and here some pics of what i can do with /war and its a big deffernce. note i play on 360 atm
http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff494/smush2/

Just saw this at THF forums. Claiming that /WAR > /NIN for THF right now for DD.

Truth to this or BS? My instincts tell me 10%dbl + Berserk is not going to beat 10% Dual wield Difference.

Raen?

[aduidarnenye]

I seriously am considering making a thread asking if the that board can me moded by someone who represents the real community. It's filled with stupidity and its not moderated. Wtf?

It's the official forums and bluegartr is still 99.999% more accurate, respectable and HELPFUL because its accurate. At same time, we have to take some responsibility. The reason place like Alla,FFXIAH and Off. forums are so filled with noobs is because they get banned/shot down from here. I think BG can come off as unfriendly and at times, rude. I know it's impossible to have it both ways, but maybe BG should revive the old section? Idk, im just sayin'! You have to wonder why so many of BG don't post/browse any other forums and why all the other forums members don't use BG.

Also, back on topic, SE needs to do something about that forum. It's just a reskinned Alla and its making me not want to go there. I'm not being an elitest bitch either. I just don't understand why some people are quite frankily so stupid, and unwilling to learn. Wanting to be good at the game and make sense = elite? Um..

The only problem is that they'd likely pick someone awful to be the mod. I'd rather wade through endless stupidity than have someone modding the hell out of anyone who makes a dissenting post.

[Henihhi]

I have tried to stay off those forums, but curiosity got the cat today.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Prices-hmmmmm......

Omg! No! You mean crafters actually want to make a profit after spending hours/days/weeks and gil to level it? Yet another hand me stuff thread lol.

[Lyall]

I've never understood the whole anti-BG mentality. If you don't lack either social skills or intelligence, you really have nothing at all to worry about.

It isn't that. I was weaned from a wee lad in a social shell during the Xbox release that BG was full of jerks and elitists. This, naturally was from the people who were level 68 on their highest job and argued with math that they didn't understand. This stuff gets passed down to new players who don't understand macro swaps or functional math because it isn't ever explained, and it builds as sort of a taboo that people in good gear = elitists. Shout-socials aren't good for progress, but when you're new to an MMO you don't know that.

I think the first shell I was in belonged to a level70 thief and his WHM wife. No one did Dynamis, no one had CoP access, and because none of us understood the game really, none of us could progress. Since no one wants to admit they're bad at anything, and it was a lot of "Strategy says WAR WAR WAR WHM WHM WHM for promies!" without knowing what the fuck anyone was supposed to be doing on those jobs, clearly anyone with a Rajas has sold their soul to cheat CoP.

Somehow. I guess.

I'm getting far afield, but basically this: People you know say the neighborhood across the train tracks is horrible. Even if there's an awesome diner with the best jukebox and arcade cabinets in the world, you assume you've gotta suck dick to get through the door.

...That doesn't illustrate my point any better. Whatever. Nubs are idiots and afraid of facing inadequacies.

[Vandalhart]

On another topic... in regards to your signature.

we already know that person is a tool, but I mean.. you can still take 3/3/3 Sentinel, Rampart and Shield Bash to keep those in sync on timers. I have a little OCD so I also like to keep my timers in sync, but seriously.. if it's the only option, it's the only option.

[Greatguardian]

Either way SE gave BRDs March x 2 and Haste(whm sub) which makes hundred fists obsolete so basing job improvement vs 2hrs means very little

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll=1#post77423

[Aliekber]

It isn't that. I was weaned from a wee lad in a social shell during the Xbox release that BG was full of jerks and elitists. This, naturally was from the people who were level 68 on their highest job and argued with math that they didn't understand. This stuff gets passed down to new players who don't understand macro swaps or functional math because it isn't ever explained, and it builds as sort of a taboo that people in good gear = elitists. Shout-socials aren't good for progress, but when you're new to an MMO you don't know that.

There's also that lurking on BG (as I have for several years on-and-off) can give the impression that if you put one toe out of line and/or are not providing Kaeko-level insight into the inner workings of the game you will get banninated faster than you can Post Quick Reply to contest it, and that you don't have anything to contribute if you're not on that level, anyway. And to a degree, it seems that this image is cultivated on purpose, to keep the riffraff out.

On the other hand, it's not really conducive to drawing in newbs (many of them being riffraff themselves) to teach them how to really play FFXI. As long as BG is seen as being up on a pedestal, rare will be the new player that comes here seeking advice (and there is a decent chance that if they do they will post a new thread asking for help in Advanced, called retarded for doing so (because they should have read the sticky) and get linked to RQ). Reading the response to their query, they'll get butthurt and leave.

After that, they're going to go to Alla (because their friends will point them there), FFXIAH/Wiki (because, let's face it, you're going to be going there for their respective information, anyway), or Official.

I'm not sure what the rationale behind the decision to merge Standard and Advanced (essentially just getting rid of Standard) was, but when you're not drawing in new players/newly-mechanics-curious players to a place where people who White Knight for gimpness or give out bad information can be muted or banned for being stupid (I believe it was Vlor who said that Alla "can't ban stupid", and Official won't even try), you're kind of leaving them at every other board's mercy. The forums they will end up going to are places where politeness trumps correct information and karma games are standard (Alla, particularly FFXI General; and I am a regular Alla poster so unfortunately I know what I'm talking about here), or places where most players giving them advice are just pants-on-head retarded.

I mean, people advocating not gearswapping "so mages can cure you" would never fly here, except in jest. That's from several real threads in Official. At the end of the day, though, it doesn't really matter that BG is squeaky clean, because the sort of person who will fall victim to that kind of misinformation would never frequent BG anyway due to being frightened away by its reputation.

But that's my two cents (please don't ban me Isladar).

[Greatguardian]

snipped to avoid quote train

There is a lot of truth in this, but to be fair the general "Mood" of BG has changed a lot over the past year too. A lot of the harsher posters have stopped posting entirely, and the people who frequent the forums now tend to be significantly more mellow. Even RQT-esque dead threads are more often met with real answers and a polite "You really should just use the RQT next time" rather than "Are you fucking stupid?". They're still locked/suspended, but that's a fairly necessary measure in order to keep FFXI:Advanced cleaned up.

As for removing Standard, that wasn't entirely the case. If anything, it felt much more like BG removed FFXI: Advanced and simply renamed FFXI: Standard. Old Advanced was a shithole. Most relevant information about the game was being posted in Standard, despite the name, since people just used Advanced to troll and post drama threads (Anyone else remember "This is Advanced?"). BG decided to ditch the flame-fest and give FFXI: Standard proper recognition as the real "Advanced" forum.

For the most part when I direct people to the RQT from the Official Forums or In-Game, and just tell them to not be a fuck and ask polite questions / take answers seriously, it turns out really well. That's all it takes to get a whole lot of good info out of BG. The only reason a lot of people end up not being able to do this is they really are incapable of being polite themselves. The only times I really see people getting blasted in RQT are when they start insulting the people there that are being nice and trying to help them. When you have people who don't really want to listen to others, there's not much anyone can do anyways and they're more than welcome to shit up FFXIAH/Alla forums if it means I don't have to deal with them.

[blowfin]

You're implying that DRK's damage solution is solved with an Empy WS and thief sub. Yes, I know that isn't what you're explicitly talking about, but you can't throw that out as a conversation piece, going so far as to call a problem "solved" and then double-back and pretend that's not the solution.

You're just dodging into ambiguous grey areas to not be wrong.

I can see how you would reach that impression reading a bunch of posts that were quoted back in the wrong order and out of context.

And sorry, but I'll throw whatever I like out as a conversation piece when i'm poking fun at incessant whiners.

[Lyall]

I can see how you would reach that impression reading a bunch of posts that were quoted back in the wrong order and out of context.

And sorry, but I'll throw whatever I like out as a conversation piece when i'm poking fun at incessant whiners.

No, I actually went and dug up the thread specifically to make sure I didn't do that, but I'm sure you've got a way to ambiguously phrase that you didn't say it in explicitly that order.

[Raen Ryong]

Just saw this at THF forums. Claiming that /WAR > /NIN for THF right now for DD.

Truth to this or BS? My instincts tell me 10%dbl + Berserk is not going to beat 10% Dual wield Difference.

Raen?

Spoiler: show

DW sources:
{native 15% OR
/nin 25%}
Suppa 5%
Boomerang 3%

Total /nin: 33%
Total native: 23%

Increase in damage: 100 * 10/(100 - 33) = +14.9% DoT

Assume total delay 380 base,
/nin delay/hand: 127.3 => 4.56
native delay/hand: 146.3 => 4.72
(I know TP/hit is only done to 1dp but since I'm ignoring sTP gear, I'm losing accuracy and so am going to include the extra decimal place because depending on sTP you may gain or lose 0.1TP/hit).
/nin will land 146.3 hits in the time native lands 127.3, tp gain comparison:
/nin: 4.56 * 146.3 = 667.128
native: 4.72 * 127.3 = 600.856
increase: +11.0% WS frequency

(normally delay reduction doesn't increase WS frequency by much, but it increases rapidly below 150~ delay total; check this image to see it illustrated).

Total /nin increase: +14.9% DoT, +11.0% WS frequency, +0% WS damage

THF hit distribution (assuming: AF3+2 hat, Brutal, Epona's, Atheling, full TripAttack merits, Apoc atma):
Inside Abyssea /nin: 61/8/31, average: 1.70
Inside Abyssea /war: 51/18/31, average: 1.80
Increase: +5.88% DoT/WS frequency
Outside Abyssea /nin: 76/8/16, average: 1.40
Outside Abyssea /war: 66/18/16, average: 1.50
Increase: +7.14% DoT/WS frequency

WS - assuming Evis, no Gorget/belt, Epona's, Brutal, Atheling, fullTripMerits, Apoc atma and using the 1DA=0.02fTP, 1TA=0.04fTP model;

Base fTP: 6.00
Inside Abyssea /nin: 7.40fTP
Inside Abyssea /war: 7.60fTP
Increase: +2.7% WS damage
Outside Abyssea /nin: 6.80fTP
Outside Abyssea /war: 7.00fTP
Increase: +2.94% WS damage

Total damage increase /war (before Berserk/Aggressor):
Inside Abyssea: +5.88% DoT, +5.88% WS frequency, +2.7% WS damage
Outside Abyssea: +7.14% DoT, +7.14% WS frequency, +2.94% WS damage

Compared to:
/nin: +14.9% DoT, +11.0% WS frequency, +0% WS damage

Now we have to evaluate Berserk/Aggressor. Firstly, without any math, it is generally clear to say that if you can benefit from Aggressor in its fullness (much stronger gearset, better food, just needing accuracy), it's going to make /war the winner. If we assume Aggressor does nothing, Berserk increases Attack by 25% for 3 mins out of every 5 minutes - a net increase of 15% Attack over time. Obviously if this Attack is doing nothing then /nin wins, but if it is doing something, let's just use that 15% figure as a damage increase approximation:

Berserk: +15% DoT, +0% WS frequency, +15% WS damage

This is a huge approximation but it is clear that /war wins here.

Tl;dr version: /war wins if Berserk OR Aggressor do something. If they don't, /nin wins. It's basically the same as it was at 75.

[Henihhi]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...dal-expiration

I finished WotG, but if I am not mistaken, once you get to a certain point your medal doesnt expire right? I haven't checked my medal in months tbh

[Greatguardian]

Your medal won't ever drop past a certain point after reaching certain milestones in the WotG missions, yeah. You have to get it up to the max rank to begin with though, it won't just give you max rank after clearing WotG.

That said, the thread just reminds me of the "Give us a quest that allows us to take Runic Portals for free. It doesn't matter if it's a really long quest, I just want the option of free portals" thread. It got a few pages in before someone mentioned that Captain rank already did that.

[Mifaco]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...the-brew-holds

More bitching about using trial logs to lock brews. These are the same people who cry about Aern elemental parties, NIN tanking, and speedkill parties.

Please, someone preserve this link for all eternity and post it in every brew thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll=1#post34730

[Henihhi]

Ya lol thats what i meant. I am a horrible typer which is why i don't post in forums much. My medal has stayed the same since i got so far in missions, but it just kills me that someone would make a thread about this instead of looking it up and going "hey if i spent a day or two getting cutscenes and some lolfights, i wouldn't have to worry about this". Instead they whine on the SE forums