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[deiopea]

Slavery and killing Native Americans? Sure we did that.

According to him, we killed ALL the Native Americans. Who are living in the Reservations? It's a conspiracy.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Who are living in the Reservations? It's a conspiracy.

Tanned white people.

[Kazen]

Those dirty tanned white casino owning people.

[Aksannyi]

And their tax-free gas and cigs.

Those bastards.

[Buffy]

I refuse to make a SE forums account, because I'll get banned before the game comes back.

I am however, paying attention to who is from what server, and the fact that NatureBekkles or w/e is on Slyph, is going to prompt immediate in-game harrassment as soon as the servers go live again. Maybe I can get her to cry and quit.

[deiopea]

I don't know why I found this funny.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4411/trollinga.png

[Myrrh_Quetz]

My god, the amount of people who are still saying it's bullshit that SE doesn't have backup servers around the world for just such an occasion is starting to piss me off. Can they seriously not live without XI for a couple of weeks? Shit lol And lmao at the guy who claims to volunteer at a drug rehab for kids but still bitches about not being able to play FFXI.

[Mercilessturtle]

most people don't really know anything about modern technology

And yet you keep posting stupid shit anyways. Even going back 10 years ago, games like UO with far fewer players than ffxi easily managed to have servers across the globe. I've worked at places with far less important online services, a tiny fraction of the income and employees of SE, and we still easily managed to have multiple datacenters, bare minimum being 1 US, 1 EU, 1 asia. The fact is, SE doesn't give a shit about their customers, and have shown that time and again over the course of ffxi's lifetime. The fact that there was an earthquake doesn't suddenly change that, and this "you can't dare say anything critical of SE because there was an earthquake" shit is retarded.

You don't need a real time backup, you just need the servers spread out to start with. So that only some of the servers go down, rather than all of them. And in cases like this where they took the servers down deliberately, they could have easily done a fresh, 100% up to date backup, shipped it to the US or EU datacenter, and brought those servers back online. That would allow them to completely shut down the Japan servers for as long as there are power issues, instead of just as long as they think they can keep customers.

[dem0nfr0g]

Found another gem from Naturebeckies, though maybe all the flaming is pushing her in the right direction!

http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u...g/untitled.jpg

[Phoenyx]

And yet you keep posting stupid shit anyways. Even going back 10 years ago, games like UO with far fewer players than ffxi easily managed to have servers across the globe. I've worked at places with far less important online services, a tiny fraction of the income and employees of SE, and we still easily managed to have multiple datacenters, bare minimum being 1 US, 1 EU, 1 asia. The fact is, SE doesn't give a shit about their customers, and have shown that time and again over the course of ffxi's lifetime. The fact that there was an earthquake doesn't suddenly change that, and this "you can't dare say anything critical of SE because there was an earthquake" shit is retarded.

You don't need a real time backup, you just need the servers spread out to start with. So that only some of the servers go down, rather than all of them. And in cases like this where they took the servers down deliberately, they could have easily done a fresh, 100% up to date backup, shipped it to the US or EU datacenter, and brought those servers back online. That would allow them to completely shut down the Japan servers for as long as there are power issues, instead of just as long as they think they can keep customers.

So you're a proponent of a more Battle.net-style approach, where SE would have the 24 servers split up between the datacenters so they could run independently of each other. Even if that were the case, the EU and US datacenters would still be operational, but he JP datacenter would not. Therefore, only the customers whose characters resided on a server hosted by the JP datacenter would be inaccessible. But that isn't going to prevent the situation we're in now; it's only going to limit the number of people affected by it. Is that better? Sure, if you're one of the people who isn't affected. If your character data was in the JP datacenter you'd still be fucked.

Also, I kind of like being able to play with people from different parts of the world. With regional datacenters, server populations would likely be very homogeneous. Hell, we'd probably have three different approaches to the game depending on what region you were in.

[Fodder]

So I started my KRYSTAL sig out of rotating fatheads project and quickly realized I have no artistic talent (still). I did manage to get a shitty animated .gif together. Is it good enough for someone with interest to use?

[Mercilessturtle]

It isn't so much the battle net approach as the "every major online service in existence" approach. It isn't unique or special or new or difficult, it is normal. Yes, it would be a lot better if only people on JP servers were affected. But like I said, since this was a planned shut down, a theoretical not-retarded SE could have just done a backup of those servers before shutting them down, and fedexed the tapes to the EU or NA datacenters and brought new servers online there, allowing the people playing on the JP servers to only have a single day of down time, while also letting them keep all the JP servers down for as long as they want with no impact on the service. That would be even better still.

I understand they wanted to force everyone together whether they liked it or not. But even if you accept that it was a good idea, they could have forced us together anyways even with servers being properly distributed. Remember when the game launched you couldn't choose a server, you got stuck where they decided to put you. They could have forced whatever JP/NA/EU split they wanted.

[Buffy]

Individuals that continue to advocate for these mythical backup, off-site, other country servers frustrate me. The servers survived a 9.0 earthquake. And a 20 foot Tsunami. And then finally the shut down of 4 Nuclear reactors. And the game was still running. If it were cheap or easy, I'm sure it would have been done. It was neither cheap nor easy apparently, and the game is 8 years old.

[Mercilessturtle]

And individuals that have no idea what is involved insisting they know how impossible it is to do the same thing every other online service in existence does frustrate me. It is cheap and easy to have servers in multiple datacenters, and far older games than FFXI, with far fewer players (UO, EQ, etc) managed it just fine. Ultima Online came out in 1997 and had 3 separate datacenters on launch, for less than 100k players. If you haven't worked in a datacenter before, then quit trying to pretend you know how hard and expensive it must be.

[Byrthnoth]

Found another gem from Naturebeckies, though maybe all the flaming is pushing her in the right direction!

She probably doesn't sub NIN because she doesn't pull hate, not for the right reasons.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

If you haven't worked in a datacenter before, then quit trying to pretend you know how hard and expensive it must be.

What about people who don't give a shit about the server location crap, can live without the game for a couple of weeks, and are just sick of seeing all teh bullshit whining about the servers? What are we to do?

[Yugl]

What about people who don't give a shit about the server location crap, can live without the game for a couple of weeks, and are just sick of seeing all teh bullshit whining about the servers? What are we to do?

NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF OUTRAGED CUSTOMERS!

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Oh sorry.

*Steps aside"

Better? D:

[Mrbeansman]

And individuals that have no idea what is involved insisting they know how impossible it is to do the same thing every other online service in existence does frustrate me. It is cheap and easy to have servers in multiple datacenters, and far older games than FFXI, with far fewer players (UO, EQ, etc) managed it just fine. Ultima Online came out in 1997 and had 3 separate datacenters on launch, for less than 100k players. If you haven't worked in a datacenter before, then quit trying to pretend you know how hard and expensive it must be.

God STFU already. The game is down and none of your annoying complaining is going to bring it back up.

[Mercilessturtle]

What about people who don't give a shit about the server location crap, can live without the game for a couple of weeks, and are just sick of seeing all teh bullshit whining about the servers? What are we to do?

Try whining about the whining, that should help.

God STFU already. The game is down and none of your annoying complaining is going to bring it back up.

I know reading can be awfully hard, so I'll help you out here. I didn't complain about the game being down, and don't particularly care if it ever comes back up. I am just a sysadmin who gets annoyed when idiots who don't know what they are talking about make up stupid excuses for horrible IT failures.