Canada Election 2011

[Mytiwar]

The Canadian people don't care about politicians playing politics. The Conservatives so far have delivered results in very uncertain times, they get re-elected.

It's the economy, stupid.

I'll leave it to you to decide wether I'm the herp derp or the Canadian people is.
To me, respecting the democracy is more important than "delivering results in uncertain times" since these results may or may not be entirely due to the actual conservative government.

[aurik]

I guess you don't realize that the "contempt of parliament" motion was basically just political. It's not like the Conservatives are doing anything shadier than any other governing party, ever. The motion just means that the opposition parties weren't happy with the governing party, unhappy enough to call an election.

But then, stop and think when the opposition parties have ever been happy with the governing party? Uh, never. Layton's a good guy, I look forward to him yelling about how everything the Conservatives are doing is evil and wrong, when in years past he was altogether overjoyed to vote for those same things in order to get a few things from the NDP agenda thrown in.

Anyway, TLDR: the liberals thought that the Canadian people were angry with the conservatives for their politics as usual. Well, turns out that he was wrong. The Canadian people are more interested in results, and aren't fooled by petty political games. And delivered Mr Ignatieff a sound thrashing for his arrogance.

[Cadsuane]

The Canadian people don't care about politicians playing politics. The Conservatives so far have delivered results in very uncertain times, they get re-elected.

It's the economy, stupid.

Oh, I guess you're right. Despite the fact that the policy of a minority government can only be dubiously attributed to the party with the most seats, that much of the relevant policy in question was actually grandfathered in by the liberals and belittled at the time by a tory opposition, and that even ignoring all this your position amounts to populist bullshit.

[Kaylia]

I'm so glad to see the Bloc gone. Can barely wait to see Duceppe's reaction.

I sincerely hope they are gone, but you need to wait until the next election to say this. Something similar happened with the ADQ 6 years ago at the provincial election, but the parti québecois came back after after. It wasnt as bad as it is now, but never put in doubt people bipolarity.

I'll leave it to you to decide wether I'm the herp derp or the Canadian people is.
To me, respecting the democracy is more important than "delivering results in uncertain times" since these results may or may not be entirely due to the actual conservative government.

This is actually hilarious The election are fair, the media are mostly against the conservative (at least around here)...you can't say it's anti-democratic.

[aurik]

Oh, I guess you're right. Despite the fact that the policy of a minority government can only be dubiously attributed to the party with the most seats, that much of the relevant policy in question was actually grandfathered in by the liberals and belittled at the time by a tory opposition, and that even ignoring all this your position amounts to populist bullshit.

Delicious tears.

[aurik]

I sincerely hope they are gone, but you need to wait until the next election to say this. Something similar happened with the ADQ 6 years ago at the provincial election, but the parti québecois came back after after. It wasnt as bad as it is now, but never put in doubt people bipolarity.


This is actually hilarious The election are fair, the media are mostly against the conservative (at least around here)...you can't say it's anti-democratic.

"God damn libral meedya"

Looking forward to taking Quebec seriously again now that they've mostly unelected the Bloc.

[Mytiwar]

I guess you don't realize that the "contempt of parliament" motion was basically just political. It's not like the Conservatives are doing anything shadier than any other governing party, ever. The motion just means that the opposition parties weren't happy with the governing party, unhappy enough to call an election.

They weren't happy for a reason. The conservatives have been hiding stuff for a while, while I agree it's not shadier than what any other party has ever done, rewarding them with a majority just seems wrong lol.

But then, stop and think when the opposition parties have ever been happy with the governing party? Uh, never. Layton's a good guy, I look forward to him yelling about how everything the Conservatives are doing is evil and wrong, when in years past he was altogether overjoyed to vote for those same things in order to get a few things from the NDP agenda thrown in.

That's politics, people need to agree on some things to have the more important things that they truly believe in get voted. It's called making concessions and it's why a minority government is awesome in my eyes.

And I think you made a typo you didn't call me stupid in your last post.


Anyyyways now I'm just wondering what kinda bullshit the parliament will pull off towards Quebec with a majority conservatives and jackshit conservative elected from Quebec.

[Elesirdur]

Just tuned into the results for the first time and hoooley shit, nothing like what I was expecting. I'm pretty down as a Liberal supporter, and party member, but I have to say hats off to the NDP and their campaign machine. Their results are absolutely amazing.

Even though I'm a Liberal I'll enjoy a good laugh if Iggy doesn't get elected. I was a Dion man back in the day, so let's call it even. The death of the BQ is glad news to me too.

[aurik]

I agree with you, I'd prefer a minority government because gridlock is good for compromise, and compromise is always the best policy. At least, in Canadian politics. (In US politics, gridlock means nothing gets done because the Republicans think compromise is "what the other side does")

[Mytiwar]

This is actually hilarious The election are fair, the media are mostly against the conservative (at least around here)...you can't say it's anti-democratic.

Com'on Kaylia I didn't mean the elections weren't fair. And I don't really see the media making a hate campaign against the conservatives but w/e let's say you're right. What I mean by respecting the democracy is respecting the fact that if you're in a minority government, you have to concede some stuff, agree with the opposition sometimes, obviously stop hiding things etc etc.
We aren't living in a third world country com'on.

[Mytiwar]

I agree with you, I'd prefer a minority government because gridlock is good for compromise, and compromise is always the best policy. At least, in Canadian politics. (In US politics, gridlock means nothing gets done because the Republicans think compromise is "what the other side does")

<3
Anyway we'll have to wait and see, maybe Harper won't crack the whip and listen to the rest of the parliament! >____________________>

[Cadsuane]

Delicious tears.

I'm glad your principles remain unflappable here.

[Kaylia]

Com'on Kaylia I didn't mean the elections weren't fair. And I don't really see the media making a hate campaign against the conservatives but w/e let's say you're right. What I mean by respecting the democracy is respecting the fact that if you're in a minority government, you have to concede some stuff, agree with the opposition sometimes, obviously stop hiding things etc etc.
We aren't living in a third world country com'on.

The media in québec are definitively leftist (and mostly independantist).

I'm sorry I misunderstood your comment, I've heard that one many times I assumed that's what you meant. Yes, conservatives could have done more concessions, however, concession that go against your ideology are counterproductive. You can't raise taxes while cutting them at the same time, you can't give money while taking it back...it very rarely works.

The issue with minorities government isnt the concessions (or lack off here), it's that nothing get done. Since the poll were always in their favor, they went ahead with their project. They were opportunist for sure, but you could say the same about every politicians.


I personally think this election is a good thing. It should redefine the politics scenes and give voter a clearer choice, instead of this mess that we had with 4 parties.

[Snick]

Really shocked by some of these numbers. Mostly the NDP, not too surprised the Liberals are doing so poorly.

Are we moving towards a 2 party system?

[Mytiwar]

Really shocked by some of these numbers. Mostly the NDP, not too surprised the Liberals are doing so poorly.

Are we moving towards a 2 party system?

I really wish they'd change it all for something like in Brittania or Germanland, not sure what it's called in english; proportional voting or whatever. Would stop this 2-3 party nonsense. Get some more ideas out there.

[sephir]

Its difficult to say. The liberals did collapse entirely and the NDP and conservatives capitalized on it. The conservatives used to be 2 parties (and split the right vote) but they merged, maybe it will be necessary for the NDP and liberals to unite to really become an opposition (and unite the left)?



I am not too happy about the conservative majority. But am very happy to see the BQ be utterly destroyed.

[Olo401]

Ew.. Tories get overall majority - my condolences to you guys. I realize they have the appearance of not being as bad as the GOP is here, but with a full four years to do anything they want don't be surprised when Harper goes crazy right-wing.

[Snick]

So Elizabeth May is going to be in the next leaders debate lol

Loved when Duceppe was talking some guy shouted "But we can't do it without you" when he announced his resignation

[Hyriu]

Well, it was obvious anyway, I can't see anyone being able to revive the Bloc.

[Skjie]

As a number of pundits have already said, not having the Bloc around could actually revive Separatism in a big way. For now, we see what happens over the next 4 years and who turns out to be right.