Consequences were the same

[Abandon]

I'm talking about screaming toddlers and kids of around that age. If they aren't developmentally ready to behave in a public place, then the best solution is to not take them to one. Let the wife/babysitter/prostitute watch the kid until they're old enough to know not to grab stuff off the shelves and scream that they want it.

the only way a kid is going to get used to situation such as a store is to be in one, and learn the do's and don'ts of the ordeal. do's to be rewarded or simply acknowledged, don'ts to be corrected.

[Yugl]

Am I the only one who notices that the most hardcore advocates of "SPANK" in this thread are also the most ridiculously composed posters?

Edit: As an Anti-midget, I can't believe TheTaru is taking people to town in this thread.

[Chun Liroy]

My 4 year old niece is incredibly manipulative (although I guess that's not a toddler anymore). You'd be surprised how fast they learn. Beatings don't phase her though. She gets beat by everyone because she's evil but she just cries for literally 2 seconds so that you feel bad, and then continues on her way with a smile. If she wants something, she'll be insanely sweet and nice, but the instant she gets that, bam bitch mode. Kinda like her mother.

[TheTaru]

the only way a kid is going to get used to situation such as a store is to be in one, and learn the do's and don'ts of the ordeal. do's to be rewarded or simply acknowledged, don'ts to be corrected.

Right, I agree. But if they aren't at the stage that they can understand "You need to keep your hands to yourself in the store and be quiet," it isn't the BEST CASE SCENARIO to have to bring them into a store and eventually punish them for doing something wrong.

[Abandon]

how many kids these days will hear that, and do exactly as told? even older kids, I'm talking 7+, can be spotted today in wal-mart yoinking twinkies and fruit loops and letting loose fear-inspiring warcries because mom won't get 4 boxes of the stuff. Sure, some kids can be treated as such. "Hey, when we go in, don't touch, just walk. if you want something, ask." Others need to be fixed. "hey, stop that crap." "hey, one more time, i swear. stop it." "HEY." *POP* "I told you, quit that shit. let's go" It's always a chain of events, never just a KRACKATHOOM on the first offense.

[ronin sparthos]

My 4 year old niece is incredibly manipulative (although I guess that's not a toddler anymore). You'd be surprised how fast they learn. Beatings don't phase her though. She gets beat by everyone because she's evil but she just cries for literally 2 seconds so that you feel bad, and then continues on her way with a smile.

This is the problem with spanking for me.

Sure, you got kids like myself who took the spankings and realized it was a way of showing me boundaries on my behavior but from some of the younger folk ive seen growing up around me... some kids start to absorb those spankings and take the whole thing as a joke.

So now you as the parent have used up your trump card and you've now got a spank-immune kid. Well, unless you just fuck them up which is what you're trying to avoid. I had a little cousin that just saw spankings as one big joke. His mother would dole em out and he'd just go back to his rudeness afterwards till she started messing with his head.

No TV, no toys, no fun food and he'd throw tantrums, cry and act out but that only lasts a while. She'd ignore everything he did until he finally broke and realized that there are far more devious ways of handing out punishment. It's kinda funny, kids really hate being ignored, especially when they get used to tantrums as instant attention.

[Abandon]

there should be an age requirement for taking kids in supermarkets.

[Abandon]

This is the problem with spanking for me.

Sure, you got kids like myself who took the spankings and realized it was a way of showing me boundaries on my behavior but from some of the younger folk ive seen growing up around me... some kids start to absorb those spankings and take the whole thing as a joke.

So now you as the parent have used up your trump card and you've now got a spank-immune kid. Well, unless you just fuck them up which is what you're trying to avoid. I had a little cousin that just saw spankings as one big joke. His mother would dole em out and he'd just go back to his rudeness afterwards till she started messing with his head.

No TV, no toys, no fun food and he'd throw tantrums, cry and act out but that only lasts a while. She'd ignore everything he did until he finally broke and realized that there are far more devious ways of handing out punishment. It's kinda funny, kids really hate being ignored, especially when they get used to tantrums as instant attention.

i addressed this already, but yes, you're right. Krackathoom doesn't work on them all; sometimes you gotta pull out the bag of tricks.

[ronin sparthos]

i addressed this already, but yes, you're right. Krackathoom doesn't work on them all; sometimes you gotta pull out the bag of tricks.

As my parents found out, taking my video games away was far more effective than any spankings at changing my behavior.

What the fuck do you mean no LoZ: Majora's Mask??

[TheTaru]

there should be an age requirement for taking kids in supermarkets.

The screams of the children are like a symphony to me.

I pretty much agree with what you said in the other post though. In the BEST CASE SCENARIO the kid listens and you don't need to punish them at all. If you really need to pop them a few times to get them to understand they aren't behaving appropriately, which is entirely possible, then you do what you gotta do.

[Kuya]

Am I the only one who notices that the most hardcore advocates of "SPANK" in this thread are also the most ridiculously composed posters?

Edit: As an Anti-midget, I can't believe TheTaru is taking people to town in this thread.

Yea, the people defending beating your kids are assholes so i'm getting mixed messages here.

[Abandon]

indeed. i got whooped until i was about 13, and then it was.... "oh, that doesn't hurt anymore? gimme your sega controllers" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" "then stop fucking up" "okay, i'm sorry, no more" and i was mostly a good kid from then on.

[Abandon]

Yea, the people defending beating your kids are assholes so i'm getting mixed messages here.

I'm not an asshole

[Yugl]

how many kids these days will hear that, and do exactly as told? even older kids, I'm talking 7+, can be spotted today in wal-mart yoinking twinkies and fruit loops and letting loose fear-inspiring warcries because mom won't get 4 boxes of the stuff. Sure, some kids can be treated as such. "Hey, when we go in, don't touch, just walk. if you want something, ask." Others need to be fixed. "hey, stop that crap." "hey, one more time, i swear. stop it." "HEY." *POP* "I told you, quit that shit. let's go" It's always a chain of events, never just a KRACKATHOOM on the first offense.

And what happens when you have a kid that believes they're entitled to dish out justice on the playground through violence? And when they get suspended/expelled because of said beating? And when you have to spend time looking to schools to accept them and commute even farther? What about those that become immune as Ronin pointed out? When you've taken away all that you can/are too poor to give them anything in the first place?

there should be an age requirement for taking kids in supermarkets.

That doesn't help in any way, shape, or form. Are you just trolling at this point?

[Abandon]

You haven't read this entire thread, and it shows. I'm not saying "beat the fire out of your kids, it's the only way!", I'm saying "hey, some kids need to be whooped, so stop being a pussy and do it"

as for the other statement, just having a bit of fun. I do tire of hearing raging toddlers.

*edit*

Thank you, TheTaru, for actually reading my posts, heh.

[Yugl]

You haven't read this entire thread, and it shows. I'm not saying "beat the fire out of your kids, it's the only way!", I'm saying "hey, some kids need to be whooped, so stop being a pussy and do it"

as for the other statement, just having a bit of fun. I do tire of hearing raging toddlers.

*edit*

Thank you, TheTaru, for actually reading my posts, heh.

I never accused you of saying it's the only way though. I said by using it even once, you acknowledge it as a viable resource for handling future problems.

[Abandon]

i'd rather a parent acknowledge it as a possible solution, than be all holier than thou and resort to drugging the kids to oblivion, rather than give a gibbs' style smack to the head.

[Abandon]

now, for a kid to run into a playground and go Ultimate Warrior on some unsuspecting kid is unacceptable, and you must do what you can to squash that before it becomes a serious issue. Parents stopped kids from being fucktards for CENTURIES without drugs, i cannot understand why we believe we must do it now.

[Chun Liroy]

Hey man, I know you don't like him and all but

Beatings never bothered me, I was a good kid it'd more be like "ow, what was that for?" But my god I dodged a backhand to the head once. Worse thing ever. I couldn't wipe the shit eating grin off my face so m dad did it for me.

[Abandon]

But my god I dodged a backhand to the head once. Worse thing ever. I couldn't wipe the shit eating grin off my face so m dad did it for me.

This, I had my clock cleaned for laughing after dodging one half-hearted swat. The follow up was a motherfucker.