Consequences were the same

[ronin sparthos]

It comes down to a large number of factors and tailoring how you deal with your situation on how your kid takes to spankings here and there.

Yeah, some kids are going to take your spankings as a pass to pick on other kids and from there you get tasked with solving that new problem but other kids will take the spankings as mere barriers set by parents as to what's acceptable and what isn't acceptable.

Most kids learn early on that Mom and Dad are to be respected (feared) but eventually most learn that for every spanking comes that moment of awesome when your parent comes in pissed off to school and argues in your favor. Or buys you an ice cream cone. Or takes you to the park. etc etc.

Most kids with decent parents also eventually realize that mom/dad dont want to resort to a spanking (if the parents spank for everything, the effect is diminished) and if the kid has any moral compass they'll realize that their personal behavior was wrong. Bonus points if your parents sit down and explain shit to you.

It's a very give/take sorta thing and yeah, sometimes things backfire but really all you can do is react accordingly and use the tool you feel will best solve the scenario.

[Ksandra]

people are overdoing what they think we mean by hitting. Hitting doesn't = every last thing they do. I was grounded a lot to my room (didn't have shit in my room besides books....which is probably why I read so damn much now lol) and wasn't always smacked. but if I went beyond the typical shithead stuff my dad would smack me. And no I don't mean smacking around some 2 year old either. and idk if yugl thinks I'm an asshole, I got good grades, got a masters, never smoked, never was promiscuous, only got drunk like once a semester in college, never did drugs. but I still fucking enjoyed my life and I'm still enjoying it now. I'm in a fucking awesome place in my life and it didn't get fucked over by being a spoiled brat. saying it should never be a solution is silly. again it seems like only americans take a huge issue against it, and I'm not sure why.

[gdshdsh]

meant psychologists, calm down...and once again, let me demonstrate with a video

what we generally mean by slapping/"PHYSICALLY DEMOLISHING AND DESTROYING ARE CHILDREN"

I doubt it. You used psychiatrist multiple times, even after i mentioned it twice.

If that's all you do, then there's no point even doing it. It MUST hurt, or it's not going to teach anyone anything. Who gives a fuck if someone slaps them in the back of the head? It's mildly annoying, that's it. As was already mentioned, punishments need to be swift and severe. The punishment needs to outweigh whatever they gained in the first place. It needs to make them stop and think, "is it worth doing x, if it's going to result in y?" If it doesn't, then there's no point doing it, and you'd be better off doing absolutely nothing.

saying it should never be a solution is silly

In an ideal world, it shouldn't. The real world obviously isn't quite so simple.

[Yugl]

now, for a kid to run into a playground and go Ultimate Warrior on some unsuspecting kid is unacceptable, and you must do what you can to squash that before it becomes a serious issue. Parents stopped kids from being fucktards for CENTURIES without drugs, i cannot understand why we believe we must do it now.

I'm not sure why drugs are coming into this if this is a response to my post. It's not simply about "ultimate warrior" because it's not random belligerence. It's justified belligerence. You really cannot avoid the hypocrisy except by construing an arbitrary distinction and arbitrary distinctions fail to support in later years.

Also, I enjoy the people combating research with anecdotes. You guys are my favorite (trolls), but not really.

[Eaglestrike]

This, I had my clock cleaned for laughing after dodging one half-hearted swat. The follow up was a motherfucker.

At least for me, the laughter did lessen the blow a bit.

I think that's how I went through the wall once though. Dodged a blow, then he just picked me up and pushed me against the wall and I went right through it lol

[Abandon]

You, jumbledwordsperson, are not paying attention. It has already been smoothed out that we're not KRACKATHOOMing everytime a kid fucks up. Rather, we use it when verbal means have been exhausted, and little Bobby is still being a little shit. We all understand that some kids don't respond well to KRACKATHOOM, and are more effected by parental verbal reprimands. I would consider laying hands on a child severe to begin with, as nobody likes catching a pop on the back of the head. If you watch the show, you'd see that everytime Tony gets popped, he stops what he was doing, and the show moves on. The pop lets the kid know "hey, dad didn't like that, i probably shouldn't do it again." Now if the kid seriously fucks up, and not just a little incident, then the KRACKATHOOM needs to have more behind it. Either placement to include the back of the neck where that sweet, satisfying pop can be heard, or if bad enough, the belt comes out (or, the hand as some prefer) and the whoopin of dat ass commences.

Anyone that owns a dog knows if you don't correct misbehavior immediately, the dog doesn't know what you corrected it for, and just becomes resentful of the corrections. Catch a kid soon after he/she fucks up, and the kid will know. You don't have to resort to holyshitwtfKRACKATHOOMs if you can pop, explain what was fucked up, and why the pop was received.

[Abandon]

I'm not sure why drugs are coming into this if this is a response to my post. It's not simply about "ultimate warrior" because it's not random belligerence. It's justified belligerence. You really cannot avoid the hypocrisy except by construing an arbitrary distinction and arbitrary distinctions fail to support in later years.

Also, I enjoy the people combating research with anecdotes. You guys are my favorite (trolls), but not really.

i mention drugs because a lot of parents don't understand why their kids don't behave, and figure "if i put him on 'whatever people give their kids, i haven't a clue what the shit is called' he'll straighten up," yet they've never considered the fact that well, little mike needs a spanking.

As for the Ultimate Warrior thing, you read into that a bit more than I thought you would. If a kid is going to school and hitting kids because he gets hit at home, you of course have to see how exactly he's getting hit at home. All i know is, nobody in my family was a bully, none of my brother's or sister's kids are bullies, and all children mentioned (my generation and the spawn of my siblings) were, to quote Charles Dickens, "raised by hand."

If a kid is seriously getting fucked up at home, i can see how that'd be an issue, though.

[gdshdsh]

I understand. That is definitely the better way to go about it. I can absolutely understand using violence as a last resort. I apologize if i have misunderstood your position. Sometimes you really just have no other options. I get it, and won't argue against that.

Unfortunately most are just a little too quick to pull out the belt, which is definitely not a good idea. Violence should not be used against a child with any kind of regularity, and only, only as a last resort.

[Chun Liroy]

Why is he banned?

[NynJa]

If I had to guess, with a name like that, someones sock?

[Abandon]

probably.

[Dimmauk]

I wonder how many people in this thread actually have kids.

[Chun Liroy]

Yes, and thus I want to know who. Either that or Sandy Fat fingered.

Spoiler: show

[Chun Liroy]

I wonder how many people in this thread actually have kids.

I wonder how many people in this thread have been a kid at one point in their life.

[Abandon]

i wonder how many people in this thread bothered to read it before putting in their $.02

[Kuya]

I wonder how many people in this thread have been a kid at one point in their life.

Yea i agree, the two things are quite similar.

[Yugl]

i mention drugs because a lot of parents don't understand why their kids don't behave, and figure "if i put him on 'whatever people give their kids, i haven't a clue what the shit is called' he'll straighten up," yet they've never considered the fact that well, little mike needs a spanking.

As for the Ultimate Warrior thing, you read into that a bit more than I thought you would. If a kid is going to school and hitting kids because he gets hit at home, you of course have to see how exactly he's getting hit at home. All i know is, nobody in my family was a bully, none of my brother's or sister's kids are bullies, and all children mentioned (my generation and the spawn of my siblings) were, to quote Charles Dickens, "raised by hand."

If a kid is seriously getting fucked up at home, i can see how that'd be an issue, though.

I don't see how you walked away without believing violence is a justified last resort towards an ends, but I can safely assert (given research) that a multitude of children grow up with this belief if they've been physically punished.

[Abandon]

i didn't end up that way because every time i caught a serious KRACKATHOOM, it was explained to me, so i knew what i did to receive it. So i knew it was last resort, and deep inside, i knew damn well i wasn't listening and was seeing how far i could push until the belt of justice, blue box edition would make an appearance. After a while, i didn't like seeing blue boxes, and retired from that game.

[NynJa]

I've got a bunch of research in regards to kids being allowed to do whatever they want without repercussion from their parents because they were big pussies.

My research? Go step outside and spend some time at your local mall

[Chun Liroy]

He seems to be implying that because we have not raised a kid, we have absolutely no idea what it is like to discipline one. Everyone has a base knowledge of the subject and I'd argue that practice and theory on this particular subject are not too different. And most of what's being debated is subject to a person's moral values. Kinda.